Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:47 pm
The folks in the sleep lab appear to be bumbling imbéciles. Which is so often the case these days. Ignorance is almost demanded for success.
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I think that some of them can appear that way - esp when the patient can tell the staff how to set up the machines.doggie wrote:The folks in the sleep lab appear to be bumbling imbéciles. Which is so often the case these days. Ignorance is almost demanded for success.
Banned,Banned wrote:And I agree with SAG that the Paw (sensor circuit) measures 1) Space in the mask (learn circuit), and 2) Flow interruption (including leaks).
Banned
It's a center!dsm wrote:Be aware that SAG runs a sleep clinic
I thought you were going to be the straight guy, and I was going to do the punch lines.sws wrote:I think I'll still drop the attempt at humorous repartee
Oh, sure, why not. Keeping in mind that that was MBJ's alternative to Pprox for leak calculation in the patent, and I don't suppose that's necessarily a lock. One could also argue that if that's the direction they're headed that it's a hybrid, why else would they ask for mask selection (K1 is not an absolute k).-sws wrote:On our topic of proximal-sensor-line design considerations, should we move toward K1 and K2?
Holy %#@&*! SAGs right again, duh! When you disconnect the Pprox line and cover the Pprox connector, learn circuit works just fine. So what if rather than tying the Pprox line in a knot, I plugged the Pprox connector with chewing gum and went to sleep? But, before I do that, has anyone done it at the center?StillAnotherGuest wrote: Fun things to muse about:
The output parameters of AdaptSV (pressure, tidal volume, minute ventilation, leak, rate, target and/or flow) continue to be reported whether Pprox is functional or not.
They don't appear to be grossly affected by what Pprox does (I have heard a conflicting report about this, however).
Learn Circuit will pass without the Pprox line.
Which really doesn't mean anything, but it did make you stop for a second, didn't you?
If anybody thinks there's imbeciles running around now, give it about 6 months.
And none of what we say here should be considered as license to tie the Pprox line in a knot and then go to sleep. Cause you could also wake up dead in the morning, too.
SAG
You're talking about the kind of people Medicare's recent approval of portable home testing may bring into the field of sleep medicine, I take it?StillAnotherGuest wrote:If anybody thinks there's imbeciles running around now, give it about 6 months.
Anybody have an off-the-cuff estimate of what type media (e.g. 8.5 x 11, disc, tractor feed paper, etc.) and the weight and volume of my PSG "graphics"?StillAnotherGuest wrote:...
While you're there, grab all the graphics from both studies. Then we can discuss "periodicity" vs "post-arousal centrals".
SAG
Ok, I got home, blocked the Pprox line and tried to go to sleep. Immediately there was "Low Pres! Check Circuit" in the LCD and the annoying alarm. However it did feel like the machine was still operating in VPAP mode during the fuss. It also felt like there was no chance for the machine to respond on a breath-by-breath basis. Excuse me while I try to clean the chewing gum from the Pprox line.StillAnotherGuest wrote: And none of what we say here should be considered as license to tie the Pprox line in a knot and then go to sleep.
SAG