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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:59 pm
by BrianRT
Haha....well.....IMHO...(LOL).....you can PM me if you have a specific question, who knows.....I might be able to help, if not, I'll find out the answer and we both learn something
Re: comparrison of rules
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:43 pm
by gasp
tomjax wrote:For those interested in other forum rules, here is sleepnet.com --------------
Thank you for posting the sleepnet.com forum, rules. My eyes widened as I read it and once again I felt how glad I was to be a part of a forum like this. I have benefited so much from being a part of this community.
JohnnyGoodman. . . The core values of this board will continue to govern it. . .
And, Johnny, I am glad you stand up for your beliefs. I support you in them.
Re: comparrison of rules
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:14 pm
by Vader
gasp wrote:
JohnnyGoodman. . . The core values of this board will continue to govern it. . .
And, Johnny, I am glad you stand up for your beliefs. I support you in them.
I heartily agreed at the very start of this (hijacked) thread, and it certainly deserves to be repeated again, and again if necessary:
Johnny Goodman, Thank You!
Re: Spam Reporting and Abuse Policy
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:19 pm
by Guest
what is the policy when people delete a post just because it was made by a guest? nothing even close to bad or violating anything but they are a guest. i think more posts get deleted than we know about because a guest cant or doesnt know how to report being violated.
johnnygoodman wrote:Greetings,
Subject #1
Some CPAPtalkers have been using the spam mechanism to delete posts from others members which they disagree with. These posts often express unpopular or inflammatory views, but are not profane.
Any member of CPAPtalk may embrace or discard ideas offered on our free marketplace. Any member may offer their own ideas to counter others. This is called freedom. With freedom comes responsibility, in this case that includes being respectful of your fellow CPAPers. Don't squander freedom, practice the golden rule on CPAPtalk.
When someone decides to use a tool built to keep our community clean to "force" a certain idea or remove another, they are taking from our free marketplace and hurting the community. If your idea is so much better, state it clearly and let people pick up on it. This is the way rational, civil people interact with each other. This is how we must treat each other to help those who come here in a terrible state trying to get good sleep.
I'm not issuing warnings on this, if you have done it, you will soon not be able to report spam. If you are caught tampering with or disabling the bathroom's smoke detector, or in this case, getting cute with proxies or IP masking in order to report more "spam", you will no longer be welcome on CPAPtalk.
Subject #2
My approach to moderating cpaptalk is well known. Here's the basic rational:
Beware the person who wishes to legislate the morality and the behavior of his neighbor. Respect the person who accepts as responsibility, duty and sacred privilege the task of successfully moderating his own behavior. People who can do this are rare beacons of light. It is easy to point the finger "elsewhere" and imagine a utopia will result. It is hard to do the work and take responsibility to make your first utopia internal. Paraphrasing Ghandi - be the change you wish to see in the world.
There are no rules, no distant moderator, no respected member of the community that can legislate or moderate away our own foul dispositions. If this were not true, one of the many forms of government our forefathers have tried would have worked. For another example of the rhetoric used by people who advocate such a position, read literature from those favoring prohibition before its enactment. These people believed sincerely in their cause, they had good intentions and were good people but their actions were doomed to failure from the start.
How does all of that lofty philosophy play out in real life? In the most basic terms,
I'm trading value for value. I provide the domain, the hosting, the software and the moderation of CPAPtalk in accordance with my set of beliefs regarding human nature and business. You may use it free of charge, you may find a better board or you may start your own.
There will be no additional moderators on CPAPtalk. The core values of this board will continue to govern it. Love your neighbor and be a neighbor others can love.
Johnny
Re: Spam Reporting and Abuse Policy
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:50 pm
by Goofproof
If guest were to take the time to register and become part of this comunity, it would require less effort that the hours of moaning over a deleted post he can't retype, to let people know what he posted. I supect the game of complaining is more what he wants, than help or support. Maybe that's why the orgional guest post was removed. However, if you are having so much fun beating a dead horse, by all means keep flogging it. Even I, don't have the time to waste reading it. Jim
Re: Spam Reporting and Abuse Policy
Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 7:36 pm
by Guest
johnnygoodman wrote:Greetings,
Subject #1
Some CPAPtalkers have been using the spam mechanism to delete posts from others members which they disagree with. These posts often express unpopular or inflammatory views, but are not profane.
Any member of CPAPtalk may embrace or discard ideas offered on our free marketplace. Any member may offer their own ideas to counter others. This is called freedom. With freedom comes responsibility, in this case that includes being respectful of your fellow CPAPers. Don't squander freedom, practice the golden rule on CPAPtalk.
When someone decides to use a tool built to keep our community clean to "force" a certain idea or remove another, they are taking from our free marketplace and hurting the community. If your idea is so much better, state it clearly and let people pick up on it. This is the way rational, civil people interact with each other. This is how we must treat each other to help those who come here in a terrible state trying to get good sleep.
I'm not issuing warnings on this, if you have done it, you will soon not be able to report spam. If you are caught tampering with or disabling the bathroom's smoke detector, or in this case, getting cute with proxies or IP masking in order to report more "spam", you will no longer be welcome on CPAPtalk.
Subject #2
My approach to moderating cpaptalk is well known. Here's the basic rational:
Beware the person who wishes to legislate the morality and the behavior of his neighbor. Respect the person who accepts as responsibility, duty and sacred privilege the task of successfully moderating his own behavior. People who can do this are rare beacons of light. It is easy to point the finger "elsewhere" and imagine a utopia will result. It is hard to do the work and take responsibility to make your first utopia internal. Paraphrasing Ghandi - be the change you wish to see in the world.
There are no rules, no distant moderator, no respected member of the community that can legislate or moderate away our own foul dispositions. If this were not true, one of the many forms of government our forefathers have tried would have worked. For another example of the rhetoric used by people who advocate such a position, read literature from those favoring prohibition before its enactment. These people believed sincerely in their cause, they had good intentions and were good people but their actions were doomed to failure from the start.
How does all of that lofty philosophy play out in real life? In the most basic terms,
I'm trading value for value. I provide the domain, the hosting, the software and the moderation of CPAPtalk in accordance with my set of beliefs regarding human nature and business. You may use it free of charge, you may find a better board or you may start your own.
There will be no additional moderators on CPAPtalk. The core values of this board will continue to govern it. Love your neighbor and be a neighbor others can love.
Johnny
_________________
Attention Johnny Goodman:
By time you get this, this post will likely have been deleted because someone has been deleting any Guest post for the last month or so; several in the threads with Apria in the subject line.
Here is one - "Just Got a CC Charge from Apria!"
and another - "New doc and "CPAP fasting" before sleep study"
I have a feeling you have more than one self-appointed censor this time.
Guest wrote:what is the policy when people delete a post just because it was made by a guest? nothing even close to bad or violating anything but they are a guest. i think more posts get deleted than we know about because a guest cant or doesnt know how to report being violated.
Re: Spam Reporting and Abuse Policy
Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 7:56 pm
by Julie
This is a good subject to talk about, but... the thread is almost 4 yrs old and your note will be lost in the mist... start a new thread. Whether or not Johnny sees it is another matter, but it will be more likely to be seen with a new title. I do suggest tho' that you register as a member - more effective, more likely to be 'heard'.
Re: Spam Reporting and Abuse Policy
Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 8:18 pm
by Guest
fwiw -A new thread would likely be deleted leaving no trace. Anything deleted here will leave fingerprints.
I should also point out that if you had helped when you were asked this could have been resolved and we wouldn't be here now.
Since you won't help I will see how this works out.
Re: Spam Reporting and Abuse Policy
Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 8:20 pm
by BlackSpinner
Guest wrote:fwiw -A new thread would likely be deleted leaving no trace. Anything deleted here will leave fingerprints.
I should also point out that if you had helped when you were asked this could have been resolved and we wouldn't be here now.
Since you won't help I will see how this works out.
If you really want to participate and be a member of the community sign up and log in, otherwise you are nothing but a fly by night troll in most peoples eyes.
Re: Spam Reporting and Abuse Policy
Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 8:26 pm
by chunkyfrog
Many guests come on here and are helped because they describe their problem and equipment in detail.
Otherwise it is very difficult. Many people use the moniker "guest", so we have no idea which one you are.
Many of us have shared frustration with various DME's--myself very recently. They have to work very hard
to annoy everyone, but fear not--I'm sure they will get around to you. In the meanwhile, don't feel left out.
Re: Spam Reporting and Abuse Policy
Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 8:37 pm
by ems
Guest wrote:fwiw -A new thread would likely be deleted leaving no trace. Anything deleted here will leave fingerprints.
I should also point out that if you had helped when you were asked this could have been resolved and we wouldn't be here now.
Since you won't help I will see how this works out.
I haven't read the posts/threads you are referring to. I'm guessing the Apria thread. I agree that your posts shouldn't be deleted, as long as you are being civil. Thing is... many troll here using the name "guest". Sometimes it's difficult to tell the difference between a troll and a person actually asking for help. It's really as simple as that.
Consider joining - no need to tell us where you live and use any name that appeals to you. The only thing that's important is your machine, mask and pressure.
Re: Spam Reporting and Abuse Policy
Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 8:37 pm
by Guest
BlackSpinner wrote:Guest wrote:fwiw -A new thread would likely be deleted leaving no trace. Anything deleted here will leave fingerprints.
I should also point out that if you had helped when you were asked this could have been resolved and we wouldn't be here now.
Since you won't help I will see how this works out.
If you really want to participate and be a member of the community sign up and log in, otherwise you are nothing but a fly by night troll in most peoples eyes.
Now that is being judgemental isn't it?
Re: Spam Reporting and Abuse Policy
Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 8:43 pm
by BlackSpinner
Guest wrote:BlackSpinner wrote:Guest wrote:fwiw -A new thread would likely be deleted leaving no trace. Anything deleted here will leave fingerprints.
I should also point out that if you had helped when you were asked this could have been resolved and we wouldn't be here now.
Since you won't help I will see how this works out.
If you really want to participate and be a member of the community sign up and log in, otherwise you are nothing but a fly by night troll in most peoples eyes.
Now that is being judgemental isn't it?
Yes because it is most often true. After being on for a while one can tell a DME shill or a troll from an honest confused person looking for help.
Re: Spam Reporting and Abuse Policy
Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 8:56 pm
by Goofproof
I wear gloves when I type, the last thing I want to do is leave BOTH finger prints. Even without the gloves, you will never get more than two fingerprints from my typing! Jim
Re: Spam Reporting and Abuse Policy
Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 10:51 pm
by Todzo
Some things I see here make me wonder if astroturfers may be afoot.
Perhaps we should start using https:// !!!!