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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 12:21 pm
by tangents
This is all so cool - I can't wait to get my new machine. Thanks for sharing your graph, Snoredog. And thanks to you, Howard, for taking your time to explain this other feature of the 420E. I just bought a 25' telephone extension cable at lunch today, so I'll be all set to start joining you CPAP geeks.
Cathy
Timesnapper
Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 12:33 pm
by becktrev
I know the feeling Daffney. I have my notebook since the time 40 Gig was a lot. Now I have to chase around to find a partition with enough space left for a few pictures. Remember when Windows fitted onto a Floppy disk?
Just to wrap it up - cause I'm not selling the idea, but just pointing a solution out to a theme which arose in this forum and another several times during the past few years:
I downloaded Timesnapper direct from the Owners site - it's safe.
But a tweak is necessary. The screenshots only continue auto as long as there is keyboard/mouse activity. Even my snoring doesn't make the mouse vibrate enough, so when the Data comes from the Goodknight, the screenshots stop being recorded after a while.
The Prog initiates a file called 'settings.ini' in its home directory. Edit this file with the additional line ....
TakeSnapshotAlsoWhenIdle = true
....and it doesn't go into standby
For a night's use, it is necessary to kill screen/power savers of course.
If that's all too complicated, then one probably should not play with the machine anyway.
(I'm going to use this Prog to see what my wife does on her machine when I'm watching t.v.
Nasty!)
That's it. End of subject. cu.
Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 12:35 pm
by Snoredog
[quote="tangents"]This is all so cool - I can't wait to get my new machine. Thanks for sharing your graph, Snoredog. And thanks to you, Howard, for taking your time to explain this other feature of the 420E. I just bought a 25' telephone extension cable at lunch today, so I'll be all set to start joining you CPAP geeks.
Cathy
Re: Monitoring
Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 12:47 pm
by becktrev
quote:
"(cough more BS) Apnea isn't determined by the 10 second duration rule to begin with only Hypopnea are."
Check facts before you take issue. You're wrong.
quote: "You show a Central in that epoch, so what can you do about it?
Absolutely nothing is my guess."
You often guess, and from old posts often vary between misleading and totally wrong.
Stop presenting opinions as facts and in this case totally irrelevant ones.
Here is a solution to an old question. What anyone does with it is their affair.
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Re: Monitoring
Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 12:49 pm
by Snoredog
[quote="becktrev"]quote:
"(cough more BS) Apnea isn't determined by the 10 second duration rule to begin with only Hypopnea are."
Check facts before you take issue. You're wrong.
quote: "You show a Central in that epoch, so what can you do about it?
Absolutely nothing is my guess."
You often guess, and from old posts often vary between misleading and totally wrong.
Stop presenting opinions as facts and in this case totally irrelevant ones.
Here is a solution to an old question. What anyone does with it is their affair.
Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 12:58 pm
by rested gal
Snoredog wrote:I only wish it had some sort of exhale relief like Cflex, then that little machine would be very hard to beat period.
Amen.
I'd add this... that the manufacturer should NOT have IFL1 "on" by default, as they do now.
In my opinion, only if a person has the SL software to try IFL1 "on" for a few nights and see what happens, should IFL1 be turned on at all.
I doubt if many DMEs or doctors use the software to download from new users' 420E machines during the first week, or would even know what to look for -- to see if IFL1 was causing unnecessary pressure increases for some people.
Facts
Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 9:59 pm
by becktrev
quote: |snoredog| "There are a lot of those automatic screen snapshot programs available on the net, just google for one and you'll find dozens"
A no-value generalisation - easier to write than actually naming one. Requirement - Freeware - autofunction - less than 30 seconds snapping capability. (your 120 seconds demonstrates you still haven't understood what it is all about)
quote: |snoredog| "Sorry, my bad, I missed the part in the beginning where you indicated you were an asshole, I should have read it closer."
Without wanting to go into a slanging match ....
I've often read your posts in the past. What comes over is a need to jump out of the woodwork at every opportunity and deliver an 'aren't I informed' post. It is quite evident that much of the information is 'googled' from somewhere else and that you often don't really understand what you are writing. This is illustrated by continual mistakes in your assertions, readily identifiable by anyone with a little real knowledge.
Most forums have such a self-styled expert - it no doubt results from some need for self-assertion, so one can try to be tolerant.
Leave out the breast-swelling exercises if possible and try to confine yourself to what you know.
cu
Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 11:37 pm
by Snoredog
well if you have read my previous posts then you already know how to use one of these finger oximeters:
Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 2:42 am
by blarg
The graph was very helpful. Calling people assholes just isn't.
Re: Monitoring
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:42 pm
by feeling_better
becktrev wrote:Quote:"The point is there is no useful data from it outside the lab without EEG & SPO2 to correlate anything seen. So why bother?
"Quote:"Still won't be able to make heads or tails from the data seen, but I guess if you are trying to cure insomnia that would do it"
Depends on at what level you want to understand the workings of a machine and with what knowledge basis you approach the 'tweaking it' yourself.
The few little ticks on the graph the next day can totally misrepresent the reality and some of the statements here in the past from some self-styled experts have been made from that basis.
When you look at the flow data directly, for example, you discover that the machine registers an apnea which starts central for a few seconds and then becomes obstructive for a long period as central.
And vice-versa.
Anyone who says 'I had x centrals' or 'x obstructives' and bases his adjustments on that may be going from the wrong assumptions.
Also you discover the machine already classes an Apnea at 5 seconds and not the usual 10.
Just some aspects which have never been mentioned here.
Here is an example of what came out last night, taken from the screenshot programme.
Central (You see the heart impulses. What they claim seems to be true)
Obstructive An even line.
snore
Hypopneas
And snoredog - there is an old maxim. Don't knock something unless you have tried it yourself.
You write 'there is no useful data.'
How do you know that? Telepathy?
I am resurrecting this very old thread. I could not see anything at the above urls. Are they stale now? If somebody sends me the graphs, I can post them at a semi permanent place for all to see in the future too.
Re: Silverlining moitoring function
Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:15 pm
by mardusch
Thanks a lot Howard (becktrev) . That was exactly the information I so urgently needed!
M.D.
Switzerland
PS ... I love Snoredog's Icon/Picture... Yes I love the Picture... One should always mention the positive qualities of a person/blogger.... as I'm trying to do it now... (My native language is German, I hope my English is understandable...)
