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Re: Seems Like I have Central Sleep Apnea - Switch to Bipap Worth it?

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 8:00 am
by Applecheeks
Your prior answer to the OP of "No", was quite explicit and conclusive.
When Max cited the journal, you came down on him as if he was expressing his own opinion that was in contradiction to your assertion.
That's all.
End of story.

Re: Seems Like I have Central Sleep Apnea - Switch to Bipap Worth it?

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 8:03 am
by Rubicon
Applecheeks wrote:
Fri Aug 18, 2023 8:00 am
Your prior answer to the OP of "No", was quite explicit and conclusive.
When Max cited the journal, you came down on him as if he was expressing his own opinion that was in contradiction to your assertion.
That's all.
End of story.
That makes NFS whatsoever.

Now I know why you're teaching 3rd grade.

Reading comprehension must not start until 4th grade.

Re: Seems Like I have Central Sleep Apnea - Switch to Bipap Worth it?

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 8:23 am
by Pugsy
Please stop with the personal crap and get back on topic.
This is the only warning...do it again and I will start removing posts as being off topic.

Thank you.

Re: Seems Like I have Central Sleep Apnea - Switch to Bipap Worth it?

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 9:20 am
by lazarus
Rubicon wrote:
Fri Aug 18, 2023 7:49 am
What is it that I have said that needed correction?
Well, there was this:
Rubicon wrote:
Thu Aug 17, 2023 2:52 am
Rubicon wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 3:48 pm
...hypercpanic.
What am I, dyslexic?

hypercapnic
Although that was, of course, nothing to hyperpanic about.

And I do hope the OP comes back and that your help for the OP will be accepted.

Just sayin'.

Re: Seems Like I have Central Sleep Apnea - Switch to Bipap Worth it?

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 12:31 pm
by 3clipse
Hi Blaird!
I’m quite new on this forum but I work in the DME industry and help PAP patients daily. There’s been quite a few replies here so forgive me if I repeat some information in previous replies.

CSA or central sleep apnea is diagnosed through the results of a sleep study. You can get another one done if you had one already. First thing I would do is to contact your pulmonologist or sleep doctor and ask for their advice on getting a new sleep study to test for CSA. Once you perform your sleep study, over 50% of your apneas have to be listed as central sleep apnea or mixed apneas to be diagnosed for CSA. Once you obtain that diagnosis, you would qualify for not a BIPAP but a BIPAP ASV/ST. In terms of insurance guidelines, there are a few other requirements needed but that would be either handled by the DME company or will be explained to the patient as they transition. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you.

Re: Seems Like I have Central Sleep Apnea - Switch to Bipap Worth it?

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 1:08 pm
by Rubicon
3clipse wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2023 12:31 pm
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Well, I got one.

Can you talk a little bit about what a "post-arousal central" is?

TIA.

Re: Seems Like I have Central Sleep Apnea - Switch to Bipap Worth it?

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 1:30 pm
by 3clipse
Post central sleep apnea is basically CSA that occurs during the NREM which are the light stages of sleep. It’s still classified under CSA and falls under the same category. The simple explanation for the differences between OSA and CSA is OSA is the physical collapse of your airway during sleep. CSA is when your brain lacks the drive to breathe during sleep. Basically your brain forgets to breathe at night. CPAP pushes air into your lungs when you breathe out. BIPAP pushes air when you breathe in and breathe out. And IIRC, BIPAP ASV/ST sucks air and pushes air. These are questions I would definitely bring up with your pulmonologist. Make sure to follow up with your doctor 90 days after you first receive your PAP and then at least yearly so you can get new prescriptions for your supplies. Prescriptions only last yearly.

Re: Seems Like I have Central Sleep Apnea - Switch to Bipap Worth it?

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 1:33 pm
by Rubicon
3clipse wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2023 1:30 pm
Post central sleep apnea is basically CSA that occurs during the NREM which are the light stages of sleep.
Not even close.

Try again.

Re: Seems Like I have Central Sleep Apnea - Switch to Bipap Worth it?

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 1:35 pm
by Rubicon
3clipse wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2023 1:30 pm
... during the NREM which are the light stages of sleep.
Does that mean that there's "dark" stages of sleep?

Re: Seems Like I have Central Sleep Apnea - Switch to Bipap Worth it?

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 2:12 pm
by 3clipse
I wasn’t sure if my reply sent but I’ll send it here again.

Hi there,
I apologize for any misunderstandings. I try my best to explain PAP guidelines to our patients so if I am incorrect, I do apologize for that. Is there a specific part of my statement that you disagree with? I can consult with our respiratory therapist and see if I can get a better answer for you. Thank you very much in advance.

Re: Seems Like I have Central Sleep Apnea - Switch to Bipap Worth it?

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 2:51 pm
by Rubicon
3clipse wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2023 2:12 pm
I can consult with our respiratory therapist and see if I can get a better answer for you.
Yeah, do that.

Re: Seems Like I have Central Sleep Apnea - Switch to Bipap Worth it?

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 3:04 pm
by ChicagoGranny
3clipse wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2023 12:31 pm
I work in the DME industry and help PAP patients daily
Historically, that has been a big negative in this forum.

Re: Seems Like I have Central Sleep Apnea - Switch to Bipap Worth it?

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 3:11 pm
by 3clipse
Rubicon wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2023 2:51 pm
3clipse wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2023 2:12 pm
I can consult with our respiratory therapist and see if I can get a better answer for you.
Yeah, do that.
Absolutely! Is it just the “post-arousal central” you have questions on or also the different PAP machines?

Re: Seems Like I have Central Sleep Apnea - Switch to Bipap Worth it?

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 3:21 pm
by 3clipse
ChicagoGranny wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2023 3:04 pm
3clipse wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2023 12:31 pm
I work in the DME industry and help PAP patients daily
Historically, that has been a big negative in this forum.
I can definitely see that. I hear complaints all the time about bigger companies like Apria and Rotech. I work for a smaller company so we emphasize on patient care. I work with Medicare patients so I unfortunately get the strict end of insurance guidelines. However, I try my best to explain in detail how Medicare billing works and the guidelines that follow behind it.

Re: Seems Like I have Central Sleep Apnea - Switch to Bipap Worth it?

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 3:44 pm
by Rubicon
3clipse wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2023 3:11 pm

Absolutely! Is it just the “post-arousal central” you have questions on or also the different PAP machines?
Nope! Just a brief discourse on post-arousal centrals. I think I'm good re: CPAP Machines, reimbursement, algorithms and the like.