AirCurve 10 ASV pressure settings for pillows vs full face

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AirCurve 10 ASV pressure settings for pillows vs full face

Post by MichaelWD64 » Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:31 am

EDIT: Added new post with OSCAR and pulse-ox F50 data here:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=186391&p=1436695#p1436695


Hi,
I've been using full-face for obstructive and central apnea for 7 years. Am well treated, it's working. But sometimes I feel claustrophobic with the full face mask.

My wife got on CPAP recently and she is using nasal pillows, not a full-face mask. I tried hers and like it, so ordered one for me. Her machine is not bilevel, so her settings won't work for me.

I am adept at changing clinical settings on my machine. My full-face mask settings are WAY too high with pillows. What would you recommend I change to to try with pillows? If I get in the ballpark, I can figure out from use what to use exactly. I've changed the setting to Pillows.

Currently for full-face I'm using

Min EPAP: 14

Max EPAP: 15

Min PS: 0
Max PS: 11

Thank you,
Michael

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Last edited by MichaelWD64 on Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:38 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: AirCurve 10 ASV pressure settings for pillows vs full face

Post by ChicagoGranny » Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:31 am

MichaelWD64 wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:31 am
My full-face mask settings are WAY too high with pillows.
How do you know that? Were you breathing through your nose and mouth when using the FFM?

Be sure to change the mask setting to pillows - page 15 - https://www.respshop.com/manuals/37212_ ... n_menu.pdf

OSCAR can be a great help in finding the best pressure settings. Do you use it?

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Re: AirCurve 10 ASV pressure settings for pillows vs full face

Post by MichaelWD64 » Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:15 am

I can tell my Mask settings are too high for Pillows because it feels too high, like I wouldn't be able to sleep and I have trouble breathing out. Also my wife said it seemed way too high compared to hers.

I mostly breathed through my nose with full face, but sometimes my mouth and nose. Breathing just through my nose isn't a problem.

I changed the Mask setting from Full Face to Pillows before posting. I've edited my post to add that.

I use SleepyHead, which OSCAR is based on.

I can probably fine tune this using how it feels plus SleepyHead data but I need a reasonable setting for pillows to start with.

Is a Full Face setting supposed to work for Pillows? I would think they'd be different pressures.

Thank you.

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Re: AirCurve 10 ASV pressure settings for pillows vs full face

Post by palerider » Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:09 am

MichaelWD64 wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:31 am
I am adept at changing clinical settings on my machine. My full-face mask settings are WAY too high with pillows. What would you recommend I change to to try with pillows?
I'd recommend *the same settings*, since that's what you need.

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Re: AirCurve 10 ASV pressure settings for pillows vs full face

Post by palerider » Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:11 am

MichaelWD64 wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:15 am
I can tell my Mask settings are too high for Pillows because it feels too high,
"Feelings" are usually wrong.
MichaelWD64 wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:15 am
I use SleepyHead, which OSCAR is based on.
Sleepyhead is *DEAD*, killed by it's creator. Plus it has a number of bugs that have been fixed in OSCAR.
MichaelWD64 wrote:
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Is a Full Face setting supposed to work for Pillows? I would think they'd be different pressures.
Yes, there's no such thing as "full face settings" vs "pillow settings". In other words, you think incorrectly.

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Re: AirCurve 10 ASV pressure settings for pillows vs full face

Post by ChicagoGranny » Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:17 pm

MichaelWD64 wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:15 am
I mostly breathed through my nose with full face
Then your pressure settings with the FFM would be the correct settings for nasal pillows.



MichaelWD64 wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:15 am
Also my wife said it seemed way too high compared to hers.
Don't judge one person's pressure needs by what another person needs.

If you could start using OSCAR, and post a Daily Details chart of a FFM night in this thread (Don't start another one.), some ASV users could take a look and give you some more detailed advice.

BTW, you don't have the correct machine in your equipment profile.

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Re: AirCurve 10 ASV pressure settings for pillows vs full face

Post by MichaelWD64 » Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:25 pm

Will try that.

And I've updated my gear in the signature line. Good call.

I think that even my settings for full face were too high. I recently got a new machine and wasn't comfortable using it since I got it. I was very comfortable with the old one. I'm going to call my equipment provider and see if they changed (upped) my settings from my old machine.

Then if I still have trouble, I'll get Oscar and post some data.

Thank you.

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Re: AirCurve 10 ASV pressure settings for pillows vs full face

Post by ChicagoGranny » Wed Mar 22, 2023 7:40 am

Do you still have your old machine? Unless they are kaput, most of us keep our old machines for backup.

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Re: AirCurve 10 ASV pressure settings for pillows vs full face

Post by MichaelWD64 » Wed Mar 22, 2023 7:44 am

Yes, my old one gives the error of "past motor life", but works. I checked it a couple hours ago, the settings were the same they put for me on the new machine.

For some reason that pressure is now uncomfortable for me with mask or pillows.

I think it might be because I've just become a lot healthier over time. I got on CPAP when I was nearly dying, had just quit smoking after 30 years. Am a lot better now after not smoking and using CPAP for 7 years.

I have recording pulse ox, my O2 is fine with the lower pressure I'm trying with pillows.

Will talk to provider today, see what they say.

Thank you.

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Re: AirCurve 10 ASV pressure settings for pillows vs full face

Post by robysue1 » Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:01 am

MichaelWD64 wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:25 pm
I think that even my settings for full face were too high. I recently got a new machine and wasn't comfortable using it since I got it. I was very comfortable with the old one. I'm going to call my equipment provider and see if they changed (upped) my settings from my old machine.
Learn how to get into the Clinical menu. Then you can change your own settings without the need to play phone-tag with a DME that most likely doesn't care.
Then if I still have trouble, I'll get Oscar and post some data.
If you want to do dial wingin' on your own, you need to get Oscar and download the data regularly.

Here's the thing: Your perception of the problem---the pressure setting is too high for your comfort---is important. And it is possible that a small reduction in minimum pressure by 1 or 2 cm might be enough to fix the comfort problem. But the question then becomes whether that small pressure reduction winds up letting too many events happen during the night. Oscar can tell you that quite quickly---far quicker than playing phone-tag with the DME and the doctor who prescribed the machine can.
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Re: AirCurve 10 ASV pressure settings for pillows vs full face

Post by MichaelWD64 » Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:03 am

robysue1 wrote:
Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:01 am
MichaelWD64 wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:25 pm
I think that even my settings for full face were too high. I recently got a new machine and wasn't comfortable using it since I got it. I was very comfortable with the old one. I'm going to call my equipment provider and see if they changed (upped) my settings from my old machine.
Learn how to get into the Clinical menu. Then you can change your own settings without the need to play phone-tag with a DME that most likely doesn't care.
Then if I still have trouble, I'll get Oscar and post some data.
If you want to do dial wingin' on your own, you need to get Oscar and download the data regularly.

Here's the thing: Your perception of the problem---the pressure setting is too high for your comfort---is important. And it is possible that a small reduction in minimum pressure by 1 or 2 cm might be enough to fix the comfort problem. But the question then becomes whether that small pressure reduction winds up letting too many events happen during the night. Oscar can tell you that quite quickly---far quicker than playing phone-tag with the DME and the doctor who prescribed the machine can.
Thank you.

I can get into the Clinical menu. That's how I changed what I was talking about in the first post.

My provider here (we moved last year) is more solid than some I've heard about.

Thank you.

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Re: AirCurve 10 ASV pressure settings for pillows vs full face

Post by MichaelWD64 » Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:41 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:17 pm
If you could start using OSCAR, and post a Daily Details chart of a FFM night in this thread

Installed OSCAR, ran it, and started a new post with OSCAR and pulse-ox F50 data here:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=186391&p=1436695#p1436695

I started a new thread because I have more info to add and it would get confusing here if people read the new post but not the top one.

Thank you.

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Got on CPAP 2015, AHI 147. Much better now. Have central & obstructive apnea. Smoked 30 years, quit when got on O2 & CPAP. I'm not on O2 during day anymore, only when I sleep, into CPAP machine. Ahhhh....oxygen! Refreshing!