Gas Stoves and Apnea

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Re: Gas Stoves and Apnea

Post by Pugsy » Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:24 pm

Anymore in fighting will result in thread locking.....don't go there folks. I am not in the mood for it.
Take it private or elsewhere but don't bring it here.

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Re: Gas Stoves and Apnea

Post by lazarus » Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:35 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2023 4:39 pm
Did the neighbors get any produce?
Yes. And they eventually got used to us.
chunkyfrog wrote:
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Horsey poo, the best kind.
I rank the smell of horse manure right up there with honeysuckle and apple blossom.
The people who confuse "entomology" and "etymology" really bug me beyond words.
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Re: Gas Stoves and Apnea

Post by loggerhead12 » Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:36 pm

I doubt anyone would be offended if you deleted it. Off-topic, multiple death wishes - nobody will miss it.

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Re: Gas Stoves and Apnea

Post by colomom » Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:59 pm

The recent study on asthma and gas stoves got lots of press primarily because politicians thought exploiting it was a good way to fire people up. As someone with both asthma and a gas stove I read thru the new study. https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/20/1/75
“We note that PAF analyses have limitations. For example, we rely on aggregate data, although we have quantified our uncertainty and have still found a significant public health burden. Additionally, our interpretation of the PAF as the proportion of preventable disease rests on the assumptions that (1) exposure to gas cooking among children is orthogonal to other risk factors such as exposure to tobacco smoke”

The paper itself doesn’t present any new data but rather applies a type of mathematical analysis (PAF) to a limited set of other studies. Asthma is a complex disease and there are a whole host of factors that can contribute to asthma including but not limited to genetics, dust, pets, smoke, mold, pollution, etc.
Gas stoves do emit nitrogen oxides which is bad for respiratory symptoms, but because of the host of other variables that can also contribute to asthma I wonder if the study may have overstated the magnitude of the link between asthma and gas stoves.

Curious of anyone else read the study and have any thoughts about the accuracy of the claims that gas stoves cause 12.7% of childhood asthma.

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Re: Gas Stoves and Apnea

Post by stevenal » Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:18 pm

We bought a gas home not long ago. I was surprised to find the range hood blew right back into the kitchen. I checked with the building officials and they confirmed it was code compliant. Any size gas water heater is vented outside, but a six burner stove top on top of a self cleaning gas oven is not. :shock: The hood now vents outdoors, and we run it whenever the stove or oven are on.
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Re: Gas Stoves and Apnea

Post by lazarus » Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:41 pm

colomom wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:59 pm
wonder if the study may have overstated
Worthy of skepticism; early days, I would think. Overstatement is becoming mainstream, isn't it?
colomom wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:59 pm
read the study
Nope.
colomom wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:59 pm
accuracy of the claims that gas stoves cause 12.7% of childhood asthma.
The ".7%" certainly doesn't pass the sniff test. But I'd sign off on 'worthy of further study.'

Waaay too early to have a meaningful position. But glad people are looking into it. Most public discussions run either ahead of or behind the science, one way or another, right? Puzzle pieces usually get assembled one at a time.

Only my opinion from a distance, since I consider it unworthy of early prediction or even assessment. I mean, you have to have some kind of a working hypothesis on hand and a real method to try to prove anything about such matters any time real data would have no other way of presenting itself.

It's a process, usually slow, as you well know.

Here is one critic, for example, of that "12.7%":
The science literate, who spent time reading and understanding a study on a valid health problem, asthma, must come away knowing that concluding “12.7% of current childhood asthma nationwide is attributed to gas stove use” is just incorrect.
--https://www.acsh.org/news/2023/01/17/cooking-gas-16809
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Re: Gas Stoves and Apnea

Post by Conrad » Mon Jan 30, 2023 8:04 am

chunkyfrog wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2023 12:41 pm
Range hoods can be used with any kind of cooking--with filters.
I saw the efficiency tests for induction/resistance/gas.
Sadly, some folks are paying way too much for electricity.
The robber barons tried to take over our public electric utility several years ago--
but they were voted down--for now. (Fingers crossed)
Our electricity is among the lowest priced in the country--and it is cleaner than gas.
No matter how clean they CLAIM gas is, we see the irreparable damage caused
when a pipeline breaks--thousands of acres of cropland--RUINED.
Range hoods that don't vent to the outside are nearly worthless. Take a look at the 'filters' they use in these things. Do you have any idea how small the particulates left over from the combustion of natural gas are? MUCH too small to be filtered out by these things. Some of the particles might stick to the grease that gets caught up in the filter though...

"No matter how clean they CLAIM gas is, we see the irreparable damage caused when a pipeline breaks--thousands of acres of cropland"

Natural gas pipelines and crude oil (and all of its variants) pipelines are two different things. Oil makes a mess when it leaks, natural gas not so much. Please don't compare apples and oranges.
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Re: Gas Stoves and Apnea

Post by babydinosnoreless » Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:00 am

I don't get this debate. I use what my house comes with. Had propane stove, water heater and heat for 15 years because that was how the house came when we bought it. Our current house is all electric because that is how it was when we bought it. Either are fine. My bbq grill is propane. It comes with me no matter what house we live in. Its outside so I don't guess the fumes are a problem. I don't understand what the big deal is ? As long as it works when I turn it on I'm happy.

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Re: Gas Stoves and Apnea

Post by lazarus » Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:37 am

babydinosnoreless wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:00 am
I don't get this debate.
Froggy was curious what people here use. Then a lite beer commercial broke out and somebody had to get fired again.

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Re: Gas Stoves and Apnea

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Re: Gas Stoves and Apnea

Post by lazarus » Mon Jan 30, 2023 1:52 pm

At this point I'm happy just to use energy, warm the seat of my chair, and breathe every few seconds. The rest is gravy. It's all about where you draw the line and call it success.
The people who confuse "entomology" and "etymology" really bug me beyond words.
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Post by chunkyfrog » Mon Jan 30, 2023 3:27 pm

I noticed a health difference when we switched over--(for purely economic reasons.)
The gas meter was defective, but the gas company denied it was 300% WRONG.
Since we were poor, we switched over to the wood stove and an electric skillet.
--and never paid the bogus gas bill. They never pushed it--hmmm . . .
The next house was an all-electric commercial building, which we remodeled,
but kept the electric furnace and water heater.
Our only inconvenience was extra time to fill the water bed.
And electric skillets were our only cooking vessel. for several years.
I went through 4 or 5 of them until I got a ceramic cooktop with my kitchen.

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Re: Gas Stoves and Apnea

Post by zonker » Mon Jan 30, 2023 5:04 pm

i'm privileged in that while our house is all electric, we have a whole house generator which comes on by itself if it notes a 20 second loss of power in the house.

yea, this generator runs on propane. but that tank is outside thirty feet from the house. so nothing that could be considered potentially harmful is released into the house atmosphere. unless, of course, i'm seriously mistaken.

am damned glad we have it. it's gotten us through three outages since it's installation last fall.

now, i just need to get a propane powered backup for my internet.
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Re: Gas Stoves and Apnea

Post by loggerhead12 » Mon Jan 30, 2023 8:55 pm

zonker wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 5:04 pm
now, i just need to get a propane powered backup for my internet.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Most of the time your internet won't go down just because the power does. I got a baby UPS, the smallest one, and plugged the cable modem and wifi router into it. I can go without power for 8 hours and binge-watch Sons of Anarchy the whole time. ;-)

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Re: Gas Stoves and Apnea

Post by chunkyfrog » Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:12 pm

loggerhead12 wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 8:55 pm
zonker wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 5:04 pm
now, i just need to get a propane powered backup for my internet.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Most of the time your internet won't go down just because the power does. I got a baby UPS, the smallest one, and plugged the cable modem and wifi router into it. I can go without power for 8 hours and binge-watch Sons of Anarchy the whole time. ;-)
True.
Our internet comes in via fiberoptic cables,
so all you need is power for those little boxes.
Fuel cell, battery, or plug it into the Prius.

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