Gas Stoves and Apnea

you can smell a gas leak. shut it off and call for help. natural gas and propane, very clean burning fuel. its safe and good to heat with. electric is very dirty energy. its expensive and dirty for the earth. power goes out. you die. when temps drop here to -20, I'm glad I have my coal and wood. if power goes out. I cook with propane. people are nuts to use all electric.

Range hoods can be used with any kind of cooking--with filters.
I saw the efficiency tests for induction/resistance/gas.
Sadly, some folks are paying way too much for electricity.
The robber barons tried to take over our public electric utility several years ago--
but they were voted down--for now. (Fingers crossed)
Our electricity is among the lowest priced in the country--and it is cleaner than gas.
No matter how clean they CLAIM gas is, we see the irreparable damage caused
when a pipeline breaks--thousands of acres of cropland--RUINED.

Ray4852 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 29, 2023 7:55 am

these people that make up this BS are brain dead. anybody told me gas is dangerous to the environment and bad for my health get two middle fingers from me. if people want to use electric, go for it. don't tell me that I have to use it. gas is clean. propane or nature gas. if your power goes out, you can still cook with it. if your power goes out with electric. how do you live on electric only. we can also cook with wood, coal and heat with it. I'm using coal right now with my boiler. how many here ever had to live without electric for 30 days or more. I have. how did the people live back 500 year ago. they had brains and not afraid to live. people wake up. our grid is so old and out dated. if it ever went down. 50 percent of people would die in 6 months. wake up and start thinking. its time we shove these wok people off to the side so we can go on and live our lives the way we want to live.

So, you don't use electricity? What do you do for lights?
Run the refrigerator? TV? Internet?
Run your cpap?
Even with no usage, every utility has a monthly base charge.
CHOOSING to use only electricity obligates me to only pay one location fee.
I like that.
Telling Cengas to remove their meter and associated plumbing was immensely satisfying.

If you get rid of gas in the home, you'll simply need more natural gas to fuel generation of electricity (more pipelines or expensive imported NG). Using NG to generate electricity is not as efficient as using the NG directly in your home. Renewables are a long, long ways from ever displacing gas and nukes to create power on the grid. And the electric grid infrastructure (transmission, distribution, and substation) will need massive upgrades to move the power, not to mention the likelyhood of upgrading the service supply that feeds your home (EV's take a lot of amps to charge). Much of the system load comes in the afternoon to evening hours after the sun has gone down.
I lost an acquaintance in a gas explosion that destroyed the home he was in. Gas is great to cook and heat with, but it comes with some risks.

Here's a screenshot of the New England ISO (about 3pm Jan 29) showing where generation is coming from and load through the day

Well......when the guys/gals who don't like what I use in my home for whatever reason come here and happily pay my utility bills for me then I might pay attention to what they might say but until then....STFU please.

What does a gas stove have to do with apnea anyway?
These machines run off electricity either from the pole or battery. I have yet to see anything cpap related have any sort of connection to power via gas.

You all got nothing better to do than fight over whether someone uses gas or electricity or both in their houses????

Don't go telling me what to do unless you want to pay for whatever it is you are pushing. Sure way to make smoke and fire come out of my ears and eyes.
That's a short trip nowadays anyway.

At least, electricity has source flexibility, and many of those sources are renewable.
Moving toward all renewable sources is going to take time, but is still feasible.
Economics is the key to implementing change.
We bought a hybrid because of uncontrolled fuel prices.
As long as fuel is the domain of robber barons, we can expect no relief.
The choice is up to the consumer.

Ray4852 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 29, 2023 7:55 am

these people that make up this BS are brain dead. anybody told me gas is dangerous to the environment and bad for my health get two middle fingers from me.

Well, I certainly don't expect that any kind of science is going to sway your opinion that's firmly cemented by the lies that the gas company marketing.

I'm sure you won't read this, https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1913663 and if you did, you wouldn't believe it.

That's fine, you just believe what you want, and be the angry person you come across as. Nobody cares.

More enlightened people read things like this: https://www.motherjones.com/environment ... as-stoves/ and think "hmm".

Pugsy wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 29, 2023 2:21 pm

What does a gas stove have to do with apnea anyway?

The supposed associations may relate to some with asthma and COPD overlap syndromes.

One of the main air pollutants commonly associated with using gas stoves is nitrogen dioxide, or NO₂, which is a byproduct of fuel combustion. Nitrogen dioxide exposures in homes have been associated with more severe asthma and increased use of rescue inhalers in children. This gas can also affect asthmatic adults, and it contributes to both the development and exacerbation of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.--https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-09- ... ealth.html

I have no personal position, myself, on the complicated issues of personal choice, indoor pollution, or consumer safety in the matter, since circumstances vary quite a bit in this country and in other countries.

I do personally, however, generally applaud efforts to use scientific knowledge from research reasonably to cautiously protect children whenever possible. Research may not yet be clear, but 50 years from now, who knows? Household gas may one day be listed in history right along with lead paint, second-hand smoke, and asbestos.

lazarus wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 29, 2023 2:57 pm

The supposed associations may relate to some with asthma and COPD overlap syndromes.

well... a lot of people have asthma or COPD or any other sort of breathing problem and don't have apnea.

Well...

lazarus wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 29, 2023 2:57 pm

I do personally, however, generally applaud efforts to use scientific knowledge from research reasonably to cautiously protect children whenever possible. Research may not yet be clear, but 50 years from now, who knows? Household gas may one day be listed in history right along with lead paint and asbestos.

As do I and you may well be correct in how things are looked at 50 years from now.

My point to all this is

WHY DO YOU GUYS/GALS PERSIST IN FIGHTING OVER ALL THIS

People throw stones and obviously insinuate things about other people that aren't very nice.
Why do people feel the need to "discuss" this sort of stuff so heatedly and in such a negative way to someone who you don't know and have no idea what their circumstances or ideals might be.

I am NOT promoting one utility over another. I don't care if you use gas, electricity, battery, solar, water or a pile of shit.
Just don't go telling me what to use for whatever reason unless you pay my bills....and don't go insinuating anything about my use or non use of whatever.

Want to roll your eyeballs at what someone said here??? Go ahead and roll them but no need for attacks and insinuations here that only accomplish adding fuel to a fire where there never needed to be a fire on a cpap help forum.

It's the nastiness I see here that upsets me.... not which utility someone uses. The overall tone....sliding down the toilet folks.
Is that really where you want to go. Everyone ends up stinking when that happens.

Speaking of shit, my grandfather sold 40 wagonloads of cow chips one year.
He and his kids collected dried cowpies on the prairie, using his invention,
the cowchip flipper, a precursor to the pooper scooper sold in pet stores today.
I wish I had a piece of that action . . .
My grandmother baked with a cast iron stove, using cowchips for fuel,
and her own reckoning as a thermostat. She even baked angel food cake.
Just a housewife with 7 kids . . .

Pugsy wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 29, 2023 3:13 pm

no need for attacks and insinuations here

Amen. My position and personal (often-failed) goal on tone is in my sig, but I recognize that polite public discourse on most subjects is fast becoming a lost art, especially on the Internet.

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 29, 2023 3:52 pm

grandfather sold 40 wagonloads of cow chips one year.

Not long after my Appalachian-born parents and I moved into big-city suburbia, my dad had a load of fresh manure from a local horse farm delivered to our backyard to prepare a garden. We were particularly popular in conversations in that sensitive-nosed neighborhood that spring. May not have caused sleep apnea, but a few neighbors claimed they were holding their breath!

Horsey poo, the best kind.
As a farm kid, I could stand downwind and identify the beast
whose excrement was in the air.
Pigs are the worst. Horses rather mild.
You want that in the garden.
Did the neighbors get any produce?

We always share what we grow.
It shuts them up the next spring.

palerider wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 29, 2023 2:26 pm

Ray4852 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 29, 2023 7:55 am

these people that make up this BS are brain dead. anybody told me gas is dangerous to the environment and bad for my health get two middle fingers from me.

Well, I certainly don't expect that any kind of science is going to sway your opinion that's firmly cemented by the lies that the gas company marketing.

I'm sure you won't read this, https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1913663 and if you did, you wouldn't believe it.

That's fine, you just believe what you want, and be the angry person you come across as. Nobody cares.

More enlightened people read things like this: https://www.motherjones.com/environment ... as-stoves/ and think "hmm".

All the BS links you posted is left wing propaganda. show me the science that gas is destroying the earth. the earth has been here for more than 2 billion years. don't force your left wing BS down my throat. you live your way and I will live my way. I hope you understand where I'm coming from. and one more thing I have to say. I'm fed up with the crap the far left is forcing on us.

Ray4852 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:03 pm

All the BS links you posted is left wing propaganda.

Was there any REASON, other than your obvious hatred, to bring politics into this?

why don't you just go and sniff your gas fumes.

Ray4852 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:03 pm

show me the science that gas is destroying the earth. the earth has been here for more than 2 billion years.

There's nothing that humans can do that will destroy the earth.
We certainly can make it inhabitable by humans though.

Ray4852 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:03 pm

don't force your left wing BS down my throat.

I'd love to force SOMETHING down your throat, how about a baguette, that might shut you up.

Ray4852 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:03 pm

you live your way and I will live my way.

I believe I've already stated my position,

palerider wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 28, 2023 8:39 pm

We're perfectly happy for you to slowly poison yourself.

but you're apparently too hate filled in your wanting to scream your idealism into everyone else's face that you're unable to comprehend that.

Ray4852 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:03 pm

I hope you understand where I'm coming from. and one more thing I have to say. I'm fed up with the crap the far left is forcing on us.

Oh, I do understand where your coming from... it seems to be a disgusting place, I'm sure you deserve it.

Have a nice day.

Don't go bringing politics into this. Nothing is guaranteed to bring about the fire breathing dragon into here real fast and you won't like it if that dragon shows up. Don't do it again. Thank you.

I don't like having stuff forced on me either...by the right or left or middle but this is a cpap forum and not a politics forum.

Take that crap to another forum. All it will do here is creating a bunch of fires and pissing contests and I have to spend all my free time cleaning up the shit being thrown around.

Omit the whatever wing part of your comments. It's inflammatory (just like you meant it to be) and there is no place here for that sort of talk.

Ray4852 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:03 pm

All the BS links you posted is left wing propaganda. show me the science that gas is destroying the earth. the earth has been here for more than 2 billion years. don't force your left wing BS down my throat. you live your way and I will live my way. I hope you understand where I'm coming from. and one more thing I have to say. I'm fed up with the crap the far left is forcing on us.