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Baseline for Desaturations and Flow rates
Re: Baseline for Desaturations and Flow rates
So hammers, a sledge, and The Undertaker's Piledriver didn't help.
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Re: Baseline for Desaturations and Flow rates
The evaluation of a hypopnea EVENT is based in a departure from the baseline of STABLE breathing PRIOR to the event.Rubicon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:11 amOn what planet are hypopneas part of of stable breathing?Wondering1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:06 amIs that supposed to be an example of stable breathing.?
IOWs, ya got nothin'.
What you are holding up as an example is NON-STABLE breathing, therefore there is no "baseline" to compare.
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Re: Baseline for Desaturations and Flow rates
Oh NOW I got it.dataq1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:03 pmThe evaluation of a hypopnea EVENT is based in a departure from the baseline of STABLE breathing PRIOR to the event.Rubicon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:11 amOn what planet are hypopneas part of of stable breathing?Wondering1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:06 amIs that supposed to be an example of stable breathing.?
IOWs, ya got nothin'.
What you are holding up as an example is NON-STABLE breathing, therefore there is no "baseline" to compare.
If somebody has a lot of hypopneas then the machine isn't going to score any hypopneas, so the worse you are, the better you are.
Yup, makes perfect sense to me!
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Re: Baseline for Desaturations and Flow rates
By-the-by, I missed the part where the somebody said that the baseline must be
before the algorithm starts calculating stuff.STABLE breathing
Can you point me to that?
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By that I mean your logic is so flawed you must be having one.
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There's so much stupid from those two that it's overwhelming the floodgates and STILL overtopping the damn... so you were right on both counts.
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Re: Baseline for Desaturations and Flow rates
Glad to:
andThe AASM “Chicago consensus paper” states, “Baseline is defined as the mean amplitude of stable breathing and oxygenation in the 2 minutes preceding onset of the event (in individuals who have a stable breathing pattern during sleep) or the mean amplitude of the 3 largest breaths in the 2 minutes preceding onset of the event (in individuals without a stable breathing pattern).” The 2007 scoring manual states, “When baseline breathing amplitude cannot be easily determined (and when underlying breathing variability is large), events can be terminated when either there is a clear and sustained increased in breathing amplitude, or in the case where an oxygen desaturation has occurred, there is event-associated oxygen re-saturation of at least 2%.” The task force recommends that the 2007 manual guideline for determining baseline breathing be upheld
robysue1:
Notice it says baseline RESPIRATION AMPLITUDE.When a person has stable sleep breathing and oxygenation, the baseline respiration amplitude and oxygenation are based on the the last two minutes of stable sleep breathing before the start of the event.
Stability is a predicate to the calculation of baseline (of both respiration and oxygenation).
Is your example stable?
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Re: Baseline for Desaturations and Flow rates
Read AASM again ya moron. Breathing doesn't have to be stable. And often isn't.
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Although I bet you didn't bother to actually read it the first time.
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And while I appreciate you countering your own argument that's not what ResMed does anyway.
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Re: Baseline for Desaturations and Flow rates
Stupidity brings out name calling, and there's plenty from you trolls in this thread.Wondering1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:43 pmIF you guys can put aside all the name calling, in the example that Rubicon provided, what is the baseline ?
Isn't the baseline value what is used to evaluate current breathing for possible events?
At least you're not disrupting anything where we're trying to, you know, help someone.
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Re: Baseline for Desaturations and Flow rates
I'm not interested in feeding trolls today, sorry, back under your bridge.Wondering1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:16 pmCan you answer the question, if Rubicon cannot/won't?
What is the baseline in the example Rubicon provided?
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Re: Baseline for Desaturations and Flow rates
Nah, you've got too many things in the queue to finish before I (or we, as the case may be) go any further.Wondering1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:43 pmIF you guys can put aside all the name calling, in the example that Rubicon provided, what is the baseline ?
Isn't the baseline value what is used to evaluate current breathing for possible events?
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