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KENSKIP1 · Post by **KENSKIP1** » Thu Sep 29, 2022 1:56 pm

OK so here's what's cooking. For the past two nights I have been having a gurgling sound when I inhale. Anyway last night I checked the hose and it had a fair amount of water in it. This could account for the gurgling noise. So going to the settings I have the humidity set at setting 5. As for the incoming air temperature, this is set at 60. It appears as it the water vapor is condensing inside the hose. What are my options? Otherwise all is well. Thanks, Ken

amenite · Post by **amenite** » Thu Sep 29, 2022 2:01 pm

KENSKIP1 wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 29, 2022 1:56 pm
OK so here's what's cooking. For the past two nights I have been having a gurgling sound when I inhale. Anyway last night I checked the hose and it had a fair amount of water in it. This could account for the gurgling noise. So going to the settings I have the humidity set at setting 5. As for the incoming air temperature, this is set at 60. It appears as it the water vapor is condensing inside the hose. What are my options? Otherwise all is well. Thanks, Ken

I've never had this happen before like others but it seems like you could move the machine such that it's lower, to keep any condensation from collecting, allowing it to drain back into the tank. Aside from that a heated hose and/or hose cover might do the trick.

Pugsy · Post by **Pugsy** » Thu Sep 29, 2022 2:06 pm

http://www.cpaptalk.com/viewtopic/t9403 ... -road.html

At the above link read posts number 2 and 3 I think it is.
You have several options.

First one I would try though would be simply increasing the heated hose air temp. Warmer air will hold onto the water much better than cooler air.

Iamstumped · Post by **Iamstumped** » Thu Sep 29, 2022 2:07 pm

KENSKIP1 wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 29, 2022 1:56 pm
OK so here's what's cooking. For the past two nights I have been having a gurgling sound when I inhale. Anyway last night I checked the hose and it had a fair amount of water in it. This could account for the gurgling noise. So going to the settings I have the humidity set at setting 5. As for the incoming air temperature, this is set at 60. It appears as it the water vapor is condensing inside the hose. What are my options? Otherwise all is well. Thanks, Ken

This is called "RAIN OUT"
Do you need the humidity setting that high (5)

SleepGeek · Post by **SleepGeek** » Thu Sep 29, 2022 2:12 pm

Keeping the cpap lower than your head is always recommended as is keeping the hose warmer than the room air. When the hose gets cool the water vapor will condense much like it does and glass when you have high humidity.

Also turn the humidifier down half-way from where it is. If you need more humidity and don't have the problem (rainout) then turn it back up half-way. Repeat until happy.

Keep in mind the room air humidity can change daily depending on many things.

robysue1 · Post by **robysue1** » Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:52 pm

You've already got a lot of good suggestions on how to prevent or minimize the problem in the first place.

But I do want to add this: The gurgling is due to water condensation in the lowest part of the hose. So if you wake up to a gurgling hose, all you need to do at that moment in the middle of the night is to lift the low part of the hose up above the machine and straighten out any kinks: The condensed water will run back into the humidifier and when you put the hose back down in your normal sleeping position, it should be gurgle free and that should allow you to get some sleep during the rest of the night.

zonker · Post by **zonker** » Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:05 pm

SleepGeek wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 29, 2022 2:12 pm
Keeping the cpap lower than your head is always recommended

by who?

Pugsy wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:55 pm
Position of the machine isn't the cause of condensation in the mask or hose....the cause is the ambient room temps along with humidity settings.

The "lower than the bed" think is advised for 2 main reasons..

1...lessen the chance of your pulling the machine off from up high and hitting your noggin and causing a head injury.

2...with the machine lower there is a better chance that any condensation that does form (remember it's physics...bedroom temps and moisture in the hose) will make use of gravity and travel down the hose to the machine and not be so annoying.
It used to work great for some of the older model machines but to be honest it doesn't seem to work so great with today's machines and especially if someone uses a hose management system where the hose travels upwards ....remember water can't run uphill.
From my own personal experience with the AirSense models...doesn't work at all due to the way the hose attaches to the back of the machine. I have had rain out really bad in the hose and get up and hold the hose totally vertical and it still won't drain back into the machine to get rid of the noise or water enough. I have to unhook the hose from the machine and just drain it the old fashioned way.

As long as you aren't experiencing condensation...don't worry about the machine being higher than your head unless it is in a position to hurt your head...and if you do experience condensation there are better and more effective ways to deal with it than relying on gravity.

KENSKIP1 · Post by **KENSKIP1** » Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:44 pm

First off, thank you all for the information. However here is what I have done.
1.The hose has about a 1000 ribs so the water is basically stuck inside the hose.
2.I lowered the humidity setting to level 3.
3. I raised the heat setting to 74. I prefer colder air however I will give this setting a try.
4. I do not have the room to set the machine lower so the water is able to drain back into the tank.
5. I let removed the hose and let it hang from the shower curtain during the day, however water was still behind the rings.
6. I took the hose to the garage and sent 150 pounds of air through it. Hopefully this will work to dehumidify it..
BTW I am using the full face mask. Thanks again for all the wisdom, Ken

clownbell · Post by **clownbell** » Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:38 pm

Here's an experiment to try. Set the temperature to your preference, and set the humidity to auto. It's free to try and will set the relative humidity given the temp you like. I too prefer cooler air, but 60 is darn cold for some PAPers.

SleepGeek · Post by **SleepGeek** » Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:38 am

KENSKIP1 wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:44 pm
3. I raised the heat setting to 74. I prefer colder air however I will give this setting a try.

You can always turn off the heat to both the humidifier and the hose. This is known as passover mode and will pick up some moisture. Try it to see if its to your liking. Or with the humidifier on at a lower temp but the hose OFF. Keep notes so you know what you have tried.

HTH

lynninnj · Post by **lynninnj** » Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:31 am

KENSKIP1 wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:44 pm
First off, thank you all for the information. However here is what I have done.
1.The hose has about a 1000 ribs so the water is basically stuck inside the hose.
2.I lowered the humidity setting to level 3.
3. I raised the heat setting to 74. I prefer colder air however I will give this setting a try.
4. I do not have the room to set the machine lower so the water is able to drain back into the tank.
5. I let removed the hose and let it hang from the shower curtain during the day, however water was still behind the rings.
6. I took the hose to the garage and sent 150 pounds of air through it. Hopefully this will work to dehumidify it..
BTW I am using the full face mask. Thanks again for all the wisdom, Ken

When I first started here I was frantic because the water hadn't dried yet.

What I wound up doing was turning the mask setting on and letting it run for about 10 minutes or maybe 15. By then the hose heater came on, there was no water in the tub to moisten it and it dried out on its own. I waited for someone to say don't do that but it never came.

Then I bought a cheapo air pump for inflatables from Walmart and I will occasionally attach that noisy thing for 10-15 minutes. (this was for the mask hose, not the big heated climateair hose).

If your hose is a climateair heated hose, just putting the heat on the temperature setting should help clear that out quickly IME.

EDIT: I also got one of these so the hose can drape and dry out faster. https://a.co/d/i17S3U6 Drying the whole hose straight up will take longer than drying both halves like this.

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