The ‘End’ of COVID Is Still Far Worse Than We Imagined

ChicagoGranny · Post by **ChicagoGranny** » Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:48 am

ChicagoGranny wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:52 am
You verbed a noun.

Meant to use question mark instead of period.

Guess you didn't verb noun.

D.H. · Post by **D.H.** » Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:45 am

In New York (statewide) you are still required to wear masks on public transportation and in medical and dental facilities (including waiting rooms). Obviously, you can remove them as needed to allow examination and treatment as needed.

Enforcement on public transportation is spotty, at least in the subways (i.e. Metro for those outside the US/Canada).

As a visitor to a hospital, I needed to show my proof of vaccination (I showed the Excelsior Pass). This may have been a rule of that hospital, rather than a state law.

lazarus · Post by **lazarus** » Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:07 pm

D.H. wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:45 am
New York (statewide) you are still required to wear masks on public transportation

Nope. Not no mo':

The MTA dudes wrote:Masks No Longer Required on Subways, Buses and Commuter Railroads

MTA

Updated September 7, 2022 7:15 p.m.

New Mask Signage

Masks Now Optional Across Transportation Network

View New Mask Messaging

Governor Kathy Hochul today announced that the mask requirement on public transit is being lifted. Following guidance from New York State Department of Health Commissioner Dr. Mary T. Bassett, effective immediately masks are optional on all forms of public transportation, including subways, buses, commuter railroad, paratransit services, and in stations. Free masks will continue to be available at subway station booths upon request as well as on commuter railroad trains.

https://new.mta.info/press-release/mask ... -railroads

booksfan · Post by **booksfan** » Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:54 pm

ILoveFlowers wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 27, 2022 1:59 am
I have accepted that things won't ever be quite the same as they were before. I still wear a mask in crowded public places, that is, those places I have to go to. I have lost the desire to go most crowded places that are optional. I realized I like not having to breathe other peoples' germs. For the first time in my life, I have not been sick -with anything- since the precautions first started. I have always spent a good part of the winter with flu, colds, etc despite getting my flu shot faithfully, and I've had nothing all this time, not one flu or cold or sore throat. I really like not getting sick! I'm thankful to live in an area where no one cares if I wear a mask in the grocery store or whatever. I don't mind being the only one. I've been different all my life, I'm used to it.

Isn't the not being sick amazing?! Until hubby and I finally came down with Covid last month (we were the last holdouts in our family

), I had not even had a cold since before the pandemic, a record. I had to call for a new Rx for my asthma inhalers as I only need them when I come down with respiratory infection. Like you, I tend to avoid crowded places. Although we have started traveling again, and I mask (N95) on planes, etc.

D.H. · Post by **D.H.** » Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:16 pm

I would find wearing a mask on a flight much worse than on Subway. A subway ride typically lasts less than one hour, whereas a flight can last several hours, particularly an international flight.

Iamstumped · Post by **Iamstumped** » Wed Sep 28, 2022 1:04 pm

D.H. wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:16 pm
I would find wearing a mask on a flight much worse than on Subway. A subway ride typically lasts less than one hour, whereas a flight can last several hours, particularly an international flight.

I will never have any empathy for someone who does not wear a mask, and refuses to get vaxxed, and then ends up getting sick with COVID.

I drive for UBER & LYFT.
started just before the pandemic hit in 03/2019. I've been wearing a mask ever since the start of COVID, for 8 - 10 hours a day.
There were times that I even wore two masks at the same time.
Even though we are no longer required to wear a mask, I still wear mine at all times, when I'm picking out up passengers, and driving them to their destination.

lazarus · Post by **lazarus** » Wed Sep 28, 2022 1:26 pm

Iamstumped wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 28, 2022 1:04 pm
Even though we are no longer required to wear a mask, I still wear mine at all times, when I'm picking out up passengers, and driving them to their destination.

All those on the planet (so far) who are immunocompromised or who have chronic health conditions or who live with those who do would like to thank you for your thoughtful courtesy, for your loving decision-making, and for your respect for human life.

Automatic highest rating from me!

(Oxford comma used in an attempt to bother Granny.)

joepublic23 · Post by **joepublic23** » Wed Sep 28, 2022 3:19 pm

lynninnj wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:27 am
I don't understand why more people aren't wearing masks, but am glad to live in an area where one doesn't get harassed for doing so. Far too many people on their second or third cases of it.

Interesting articles, both. Thanks for posting.

I think people voluntarily stopped wearing masks once they realized that everyone is going to get covid eventually. Resistance is futile.

lynninnj · Post by **lynninnj** » Wed Sep 28, 2022 3:32 pm

joepublic23 wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 28, 2022 3:19 pm

lynninnj wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:27 am
I don't understand why more people aren't wearing masks, but am glad to live in an area where one doesn't get harassed for doing so. Far too many people on their second or third cases of it.

Interesting articles, both. Thanks for posting.
I think people voluntarily stopped wearing masks once they realized that everyone is going to get covid eventually. Resistance is futile.

No, it isn't futile.

But hey if you want to risk long covid, have at it.

joepublic23 · Post by **joepublic23** » Wed Sep 28, 2022 3:39 pm

You have a choice to make:

You can wear a mask everywhere you go, everyday for the rest of your life and limit attending indoor public gatherings drastically.

Or

You can accept that at some point you will get Covid. If you are in shape and get vaccinated your odds of a bad outcome drop.

I chose the later. I finally got covid this month. I have had colds that were worse.

On the other hand my wife was pretty sick and missed 8 days of work. Thankfully she has subsequently recovered.

lynninnj · Post by **lynninnj** » Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:35 pm

joepublic23 wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 28, 2022 3:39 pm
You have a choice to make:

You can wear a mask everywhere you go, everyday for the rest of your life and limit attending indoor public gatherings drastically.

Or

You can accept that at some point you will get Covid. If you are in shape and get vaccinated your odds of a bad outcome drop.

I chose the later. I finally got covid this month. I have had colds that were worse.

On the other hand my wife was pretty sick and missed 8 days of work. Thankfully she has subsequently recovered.

I disagree that this is a binary choice.

I can’t afford to miss 4 days of work let alone 8.

Covid, even a mild case, can equal a lifetime of damage via long covid.

I can wear a mask in certain settings that don’t equate to “everywhere I go”. I don’t have an overwhelming desire to eat in a busy NYC restaurant so I feel no sense of loss.

Glib attitudes are one reason for over 100,000 deaths a year if one uses current data. This is far larger than flu deaths annually. Maybe when those numbers dropbthe risk benefits equation causes a shift.

There is no shame for someone who wants to wear a mask. It’s nobody’s business what other considerations a person has including comorbidities and where they work or who they care for at home that could be vulnerable.

stevenal · Post by **stevenal** » Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:42 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:52 am
You verbed a noun.

Now that's funny right there.

lynninnj · Post by **lynninnj** » Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:45 pm

Hey Joe, you said: Am I the only person who has a full time job? I can't keep missing work to go to appointments pursuing a treatment that probably won't work.

You would miss quite a bit of work if you got long covid or a bad case now. You can get it again and again and again and the next time maybe worse than the time before.

Did you ever toss your machine? IIRC you said nobody ever succeeds at treating their OSA and this just sounds like more of the same.

We get it that you hate cpap masks and a little piece of fabric.

joepublic23 · Post by **joepublic23** » Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:59 pm

Actually I didn’t miss ANY work when I got Covid. Granted I work from home so it is easier for me to do that. My point on Covid precautions is that people are not thinking Fourth Dimensionally- if you avoid getting Covid today, congratulations you will worry about getting it tomorrow or the day after that, etc. To me Covid precautions are like CPAP - medical interventions that are far worse than the disease.

I did return the CPAP machine. Good riddance to the insomnia box. Next week I am seeing a Doctor who is both an ENT AND a Dentist. My gut feeling is surgery is the only solution for me, although I am hoping that the eXciteOSA device might be a viable solution for me. I am not opposed to trying a dental device but I am concerned that it will also cause insomnia. I might buy a real cheap one just to see if I can sleep with it.

lynninnj · Post by **lynninnj** » Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:35 am

joepublic23 wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:59 pm
Actually I didn’t miss ANY work when I got Covid. Granted I work from home so it is easier for me to do that. My point on Covid precautions is that people are not thinking Fourth Dimensionally- if you avoid getting Covid today, congratulations you will worry about getting it tomorrow or the day after that, etc. To me Covid precautions are like CPAP - medical interventions that are far worse than the disease.

I did return the CPAP machine. Good riddance to the insomnia box. Next week I am seeing a Doctor who is both an ENT AND a Dentist. My gut feeling is surgery is the only solution for me, although I am hoping that the eXciteOSA device might be a viable solution for me. I am not opposed to trying a dental device but I am concerned that it will also cause insomnia. I might buy a real cheap one just to see if I can sleep with it.

It’s not complicated really, despite your attempts to make it so.

Those of us successfully treating our osa and avoiding heart failure and pulmonary hypertension while improving our quality of life don’t find it a cure worse than a disease.

If you ever need to be intubated you can come back and tell us how uncomfortable it was.

In the meantime Lazarus said it best- it’s a courteous consideration that could save a life.

Feel free to glom on to buzzwords like “fear” and afraid. Shit like that are why it wasn’t over after 6 months of masking. over 1 million people are dead now. it didn’t have to be this way.

I hope you find answers with your highly invasive surgical procedures. It seems to be a thing for you. good luck

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