Obesity and Apnea

ozij wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:01 am

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And was it a male "doctor"? Or a female?

I had a female doctor who told me that my severe menstrual pain
was something I "had to get used to".
A male PCP diagnosed huge fibroids--that required surgery.
The difference was the she-witch belonged to an HMO--
which I left as soon as I got the chance.

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:59 pm

ozij wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:01 am

. . .
And was it a male "doctor"? Or a female?

I had a female doctor who told me that my severe menstrual pain
was something I "had to get used to".
A male PCP diagnosed huge fibroids--that required surgery.
The difference was the she-witch belonged to an HMO--
which I left as soon as I got the chance.

I’m glad it worked out.

You are a she-frog? Lol

huh waddayaknow

I have been told my writing style is somewhat "masculine".
Personally, I just don't see it!

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:48 pm

I have been told my writing style is somewhat "masculine".
Personally, I just don't see it!

lol

and I bet you’re a redheaded libra

Don’t ask me where that came from lol

Nope, blonde Gemini.
But not all that blonde--yet. . . .

lynninnj wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:22 pm

babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:34 am

Pugsy wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:42 am

babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:32 am

another sign of the medical and other discrimination against fat people.

Don't get me start on discrimination...lots of them against women especially.
Like the "doctor" who diagnosed my complaints of fatigue and morning killer headaches as "anxiety/depression" and gave me valium. Never asked me about my sleep quality or anything. Told me it was hormone related to menopause and essentially "all in my head". Dumbass.

Oh I'm right there with you. It took an er visit and my husband telling an er doctor that I stopped breathing at night to get the doctor to order a sleep test rather than telling me my racing heart and elevated blood pressure was anything more than a reaction to my thyroid meds. I HATE doctors. I have two letters one from a endocrinologist telling me I have hashimotos with toxicosis the other saying I graves. I should bring my husband with me to get some real answers. Did I mention I HATE doctors ?

So you are hypo and hyper? -smh-
Seems like a straightforward blood test to me but some of these doctors go into it with a bias.

Good luck with that one.

Glad you have a health advocate and your husband. Good luck!

I was hyper originally. They gave me medicine I turned hypo. Have been hypo since but I have the labwork antibodies saying I have graves. I also have the labwork antibodies for hashimotos. Every time I switch insurance which means a new doctor they tell me something different. my two most recent go arounds with the doctors over this. It is so frustrating and you can see why I have trust issues. No one will give me a straight answer on how it is possible that I have the antibodies for both. I have also had chronic urticaria since I was 19 (probably due to the thyroid no one caught until I was in my 50's). When I first started getting them it was suggested scabies and then bed bugs and even one doctor who told me it was all imagined even tho I have documented pictures and with hives all over my body. later they found the antibodies for autoimmune urticaria and also for autoimmune asthma. All I know is I'm sick and tired of them practicing on me and after being extremely sick from the covid vaccination and over 1 year later still don't feel right. I absolutely avoid doctors except for the bare minimum to get my thyroid and blood pressure pills. No booster shots for me.

Sorry for the rant but I am really sick and tired of being sick and tired.

Good gravy!

I don’t blame you for avoiding them like the plague!

There are many study results one can find to read if you jut look:



https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?hsp ... eight+gain

Den
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Back to the first post, so far in this thread, there doesn’t seem to be much interest in losing weight, in the possibility that losing weight would improve apnea, or in the new miracle drugs I brought up. People amaze me.

Here is some of the relevant research, and good luck to you.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2032183
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2114590
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2107519

People here believe extra wt is a result of apnea, not a cause, and we're not wild about 'miracle' anything, plus spam is also not popular here.

thx1138 wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:40 am

there doesn’t seem to be much interest in losing weight,

And this surprises you?
All you gotta do make a trip through WalMart on any given day and observe the number of people who could stand to lose some pounds for any reason out there...not just OSA related.

Most people don't want to do the needed work to lose excess weight.

And please...don't go giving me the lecture about "I can't lose weight because of either metabolic issues or medication issues or or physical issues or whatever excuse".....I understand that for some people it isn't always a simple issue. My comment was NOT meant for those people.

But I don't buy it when someone says "I have OSA and OSA made me get fat"....yep, it might have contributed but a person still has the option of trying to lose IF THEY WANT TO LOSE unwanted pounds.
Hell...I lost 25 pounds and due to back issues and the fact that I couldn't even walk to the bathroom sometimes and I do have OSA ...I still lost weight and ate whatever I wanted but just less quantity.

People today want immediate fixes for everything and they just don't want to do the work that might be needed because they don't want to take the time and effort. They want a pill to fix it or they want surgery to fix it and they don't have to do any work.

Fine...take the pill or have the surgery...that is an option available if someone really wants to do something about their weight.

There are multiple options out there but some people just simply don't care about their weight enough to do anything about it.

Even if this new and very expensive pill for weight loss was available for free....people wouldn't take it and come up with any number of excuses.

People just don't care enough about their weight or what the excess weight can do to their body.

It is what it is. Doesn't surprise me at all that people continue to blame anything and everything for their weight problems.

They either want to do something about it or not. Pretty simple. There is a reason that about a third of the US population is in the obese category and we can't blame it all on OSA. Plus just because we might have OSA doesn't mean we can't lose significant weight if we try. Just look at babydino or janknitz or hell even Madalot. Madalot lost a LOT of weight and she can't exercise at all. She's got a neuromuscular condition that makes her wheelchair bound.

Again folks...I do understand that some people have very specific and special health issues that present extra challenges to weight loss and my comments aren't meant for those people. I know I have a hard line about it but I do also realize that there are exceptions to everything so don't come here blasting me for being a hard ass about it.

Julie wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:59 am

People here believe extra wt is a result of apnea, not a cause, and we're not wild about 'miracle' anything, plus spam is also not popular here.

He's not spamming for anything. He's offering information about a new medication that it out there for people who might want to try medication aided weight loss attempts.
It's not a miracle anything.

And just because OSA can cause weight gain doesn't mean people should just accept being fat and not make an effort to lose the weight (should they want to lose those extra pounds).
To me that is just an excuse to be fat..."oh, my OSA is to blame for my being fat and I can't do anything about it".
Hogwash...they don't want to do anything about it.
Which is fine but lets call a spade a spade and not pussy foot around it.

thx1138 wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:40 am

Back to the first post, so far in this thread, there doesn’t seem to be much interest in losing weight, in the possibility that losing weight would improve apnea, or in the new miracle drugs I brought up. People amaze me.

Here is some of the relevant research, and good luck to you.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2032183
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2114590
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2107519

I guess because I don't think it is worth it to take a medication for endless weeks to potentially lose 10 lbs.

If someone has a particularly high BMI they might ask their doctors about it.

The initial link you put up was something about it being a drug for type 2 diabetes which I dont have.

But thanks.

How is your sleep apnea? Are you doing well on CPAP?

Pugsy wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:16 am

thx1138 wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:40 am

there doesn’t seem to be much interest in losing weight,

People today want immediate fixes for everything and they just don't want to do the work that might be needed because they don't want to take the time and effort. They want a pill to fix it or they want surgery to fix it and they don't have to do any work.

I hear that. My cardio doc wanted to put me on meds but I told her I wanted to diet and exercise first. She was almost resistant to the idea. "Less meds doesn't mean healthier".

To be honest, I had hoped that part of my weight gain was in part due to metabolism issues related to the OSA and that the treatment will make it easier to lose weight.

Sadly while I haven't lost a pound yet despite trying, my switch from processed to healthier foods can only help and I suspect my only slightly elevated cholestrol will be down in a normal range.

I started walking in the spring but I don't want to set foot outside today in the 100 degree heat. Instead I sometimes walk every aisle of the grocery store just to get steps even though I don't need anything down that lane. I cut back on portion sizes.

But it's kind of like what the alcoholic faces on a daily basis: One day at a time. Every day is a new day with new choices. A choice in what to buy at the store. A choice when you open the fridge or cabinet. A choice when you are about to sit down for some television.

While it does look like a promising solution for someone who is morbidly obese, it might be a nice option and thanks for the info. I would be curious if it has a stimulant nature and makes it difficult for someone with OSA.

I also know folks who eat VERY healthy and who are very active and just cannot seem to lose the weight. They have excellent numbers otherwise. It is time to get past the fat shaming era of human kind.

lynninnj wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:34 am

I also know folks who eat VERY healthy and who are very active and just cannot seem to lose the weight. They have excellent numbers otherwise. It is time to get past the fat shaming era of human kind.

I totally agree. There are people who can't seem to lose weight no matter what they do and they honestly do try.
My hard line comments aren't meant for those people.
They are meant for people like my own sister.
Or myself even.

lynninnj wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:34 am

I would be curious if it has a stimulant nature and makes it difficult for someone with OSA.

This is the one main question that I would also have about this new medication and I simply haven't had the time or energy to really dig deep into how it works. Most diet pills are just legalized speed which is well known to cut the appetite and they work because there is not much appetite so people just don't eat as much (hopefully) and legalized speed in any form will mess with our sleep for sure and more messing with our sleep as an OSA patient is definitely NOT what we want to do.
The expense factor and the fact that most insurance won't cover it is going to throw a big monkey wrench in it anyway.

It is an option though for some people and that's the important thing....options. We have choices but ultimately we have to decide just how much effort we want to put into anything. Some people want immediate fixes to everything...some people are good with a slower process.
They have to decide which, if any, option they want to try.