Apnea and dreams

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Re: Apnea and dreams

Post by Dog Slobber » Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:11 am

lynninnj wrote:
Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:44 am
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I saw the 2005 posts but thought maybe our understanding has grown a bit in 17 years.
:lol:

Don't pay attention to him.

Admonishing somebody for not using search, and then referring them to a 17 year old post, is asinine. Half the links in that topic have rotted.

It's OK to create a new topic, every once in a while.

As you pointed out, there's newer understanding, newer research, newer resources and a lot of new people here on the forum to offer more perspectives and experience.

The same people who are getting grumpy about you creating a new topic, are the same ones who would have something to say, if you had bumped an old topic.

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Re: Apnea and dreams

Post by Dog Slobber » Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:23 am

lynninnj wrote:
Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:07 am
Julie wrote:
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If something is proven to be true, then why keep questioning it unless it somehow is suddenly proven to be untrue?
I will be sure to search on every single topic that I want to post on from now on, so that I don't dredge up something that was discussed fifteen years ago.

Thanks for the helpful suggestions guys.

Newbies beware.

This used to be a pretty welcoming place at one point though.

And JFTR I was wondering specifically if waking abruptly from my dream was the result of an apnea, or if the waking up was directly due to the dream.

I am sure it is in the fifteen research studies there somewhere.
Don't pay attention to julie, either.

Your topic about dreams is bringing out some nightmares.

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Re: Apnea and dreams

Post by ozij » Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:34 am

lynninnj wrote:
Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:07 am
And JFTR I was wondering specifically if waking abruptly from my dream was the result of an apnea, or if the waking up was directly due to the dream.
I don't think we can know.
Sometimes external stimuli get incorporated into our dreams and then we wake - did an apnea cause panic that was translated into a bit of a dream? Who knows. Waking up from a dream abruptly simply because it's so frightening does happen. And waking up gasping also happens...

Sleep apnea - per se - does put the brain and body into a emergency / anxiety and even panic mode.
I wonder if that, in and of itself can cause more nightmares.

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Re: Apnea and dreams

Post by Pugsy » Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:36 am

lynninnj wrote:
Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:07 am
And JFTR I was wondering specifically if waking abruptly from my dream was the result of an apnea, or if the waking up was directly due to the dream.
To answer this specific question....could be either and we really have no way to know for sure unless you know exactly what time the dream happened and you woke up and you had an apnea event right at the same time and even then still not a concrete cause and effect.

It's common for OSA to worsen in REM so a lone apnea event in REM wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities for the event to coincide with the end of a REM cycle where we wake up anyway and thus have a greater chance of remembering a dream.
So...the answer is really "maybe" and hard to know with 100% certainty because like I always say...everything comes with a YMMV sticker.

Sometimes we just don't/can't give a clear cut 100% definitive answer to any question.

It is also entirely possible that simply having a bad dream will cause the wake up and thus the remembering part.
It's all tied to the waking up part though. If we don't wake up we won't remember a dream. At least that is what I gleaned from reading about a dozen papers when I googled it yesterday. It's the waking up part that is critical.

And yes...we do have some forum members here who resent seeing the same question over and over and will just offer "search the forum" or "google it" as their most helpful response.
It is the nature of forums like this.
We also have had experience with lots of people who never want to do any work on their own and they want to be spoon fed answers.....so those people have sort of left some of us with a bad taste in our mouths.

And remember...we are a forum composed of people who sometimes don't get enough sleep for any number of reasons and thus we can be a bit grouchy at times so very short on patience.

It's why I often reply to a newbie account post with a link to my "newbies please read" thread and nothing else.
I had a bad night and just don't feel like composing a bunch of crap that I already posted in the "newbies please read" thread and their question would have been answered in that thread that they obviously didn't bother to read despite it being at the very top of the main forum page. :lol: I can be grouchy just like everyone else.

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Re: Apnea and dreams

Post by lynninnj » Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:43 am

Thanks guys for the info. I guess we never really will know.

I did however "mark" the time of the dream by getting up to go to the bathroom immediately after and turning machine off for a few moments. ( I think around 4 AM).

When I take the chip out to look at it in a few days I will be honing in on that time period first.

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Re: Apnea and dreams

Post by Pugsy » Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:53 am

lynninnj wrote:
Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:43 am
Thanks guys for the info. I guess we never really will know.

I did however "mark" the time of the dream by getting up to go to the bathroom immediately after and turning machine off for a few moments. ( I think around 4 AM).

When I take the chip out to look at it in a few days I will be honing in on that time period first.
You may or may not have had something that would show up on the detailed report just prior to your turning off the machine that will give you a hint as to what was going on just prior to the turning off the machine.
Sometimes we wake after REM long enough to form a memory of a dream...sometimes we have some sort of airway issue that can cause an arousal...sometimes we can have arousals from just anything other than being airway related (spontaneous arousals) and finally sometimes the flagged event isn't an asleep flagged event but instead an awake/arousal related flagged event so even if you see a flagged event right before the turning off of the machine it might not be an asleep flagged event.
Lots of "sometimes" and "maybes".
Once you start looking at your detailed reports you will see what I mean....they don't always give us a clear cut answer either. :lol:

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Re: Apnea and dreams

Post by lynninnj » Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:33 am

I know in other cultures dreams and people who have and interpret dreams are held in high regard.

I have had some creepy premonitions that have come true in the past and it weirds me out.

Thanks for all the info guys.

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Re: Apnea and dreams

Post by Wulfman... » Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:37 pm

Dog Slobber wrote:
Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:11 am
lynninnj wrote:
Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:44 am
Wulfman... wrote:
Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:31 pm
Learn to use the forum search function

viewtopic.php?t=3524


Den

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I saw the 2005 posts but thought maybe our understanding has grown a bit in 17 years.
:lol:

Don't pay attention to him.

Admonishing somebody for not using search, and then referring them to a 17 year old post, is asinine. Half the links in that topic have rotted.

It's OK to create a new topic, every once in a while.

As you pointed out, there's newer understanding, newer research, newer resources and a lot of new people here on the forum to offer more perspectives and experience.

The same people who are getting grumpy about you creating a new topic, are the same ones who would have something to say, if you had bumped an old topic.
I see little difference in asking the same old questions thousands of times and resurrecting thousands of old threads thousands of times to get the same answers. There's virtually nothing "new" in this therapy.. Some new machines or masks every few years the but the principles are still the same.....the machines (flow generators) blow air to keep the airway open to minimize the number of apnea and hypopnea events to ensure the users' health and life is the better for it. The basics behind dreams, dreaming and sleep study technology haven't changed in decades either.

this is a variation of the old saying about insanity being doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results. Well, this is asking the same questions over and over again and expecting different answers.

wishing y'all good therapy.

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Re: Apnea and dreams

Post by Wulfman... » Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:04 am

Dog Slobber wrote:
Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:11 am
lynninnj wrote:
Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:44 am
Wulfman... wrote:
Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:31 pm
Learn to use the forum search function

viewtopic.php?t=3524


Den

'.
I saw the 2005 posts but thought maybe our understanding has grown a bit in 17 years.
:lol:

Don't pay attention to him.

Admonishing somebody for not using search, and then referring them to a 17 year old post, is asinine. Half the links in that topic have rotted.

It's OK to create a new topic, every once in a while.

As you pointed out, there's newer understanding, newer research, newer resources and a lot of new people here on the forum to offer more perspectives and experience.

The same people who are getting grumpy about you creating a new topic, are the same ones who would have something to say, if you had bumped an old topic.
Perhaps YOU would like to compile collective lists of ALL the topics of EVERY question that has ever been asked and answered like "rested gal" did back then. She was a very valued contributor to this forum and her work is still very valuable.

If you don't like the way things are, please feel free to make contributions to make the forum better. instead of just making condescending remarks.. In other words, put up or shut up.
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