Central Apnea-Is It Normal To Stop Breathing More Than 30 Minutes At a Time?

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Re: Central Apnea-Is It Normal To Stop Breathing More Than 30 Minutes At a Time?

Post by lazarus » Tue May 24, 2022 10:36 am

jimbud wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 10:09 am
appropriate. :D
Although let's hope that the next time Amanda writes about sleep for a supposed medical-article outlet she has it fact-checked by an actual sleep doc:
Random eye movement (REM) sleep is the deepest stage of sleep, and it is the only time that people dream.
Shaking my head.

Makes me wonder if that writer is guilty of nightly ASV-abuse too.

Oh, and remind me never to cross the Rubicon.
The people who confuse "entomology" and "etymology" really bug me beyond words.
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Re: Central Apnea-Is It Normal To Stop Breathing More Than 30 Minutes At a Time?

Post by zonker » Tue May 24, 2022 11:05 am

lazarus wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 10:36 am
jimbud wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 10:09 am
appropriate. :D
Although let's hope that the next time Amanda writes about sleep for a supposed medical-article outlet she has it fact-checked by an actual sleep doc:
Random eye movement (REM) sleep is the deepest stage of sleep, and it is the only time that people dream.
Shaking my head.

Makes me wonder if that writer is guilty of nightly ASV-abuse too.

Oh, and remind me never to cross the Rubicon.
i hate hate HATE it when my eyes move randomly.
people say i'm self absorbed.
but that's enough about them.
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Re: Central Apnea-Is It Normal To Stop Breathing More Than 30 Minutes At a Time?

Post by lazarus » Tue May 24, 2022 11:26 am

zonker wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 11:05 am
i hate hate HATE it when my eyes move randomly.
My understanding is that it can be especially dangerous when out to dinner with the wife, depending on who's walking by.

Let's just hope Aunt Pugsy doesn't put us both in a thread-lock.
The people who confuse "entomology" and "etymology" really bug me beyond words.
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Re: Central Apnea-Is It Normal To Stop Breathing More Than 30 Minutes At a Time?

Post by jimbud » Tue May 24, 2022 12:37 pm

lazarus wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 10:36 am
Oh, and remind me never to cross the Rubicon.
Well, it did not work out for Caesar...all things considered. :wink:

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Re: Central Apnea-Is It Normal To Stop Breathing More Than 30 Minutes At a Time?

Post by palerider » Tue May 24, 2022 2:03 pm

GearChange wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 9:31 pm
"Is it normal" for full cessation of involuntary breathing (Central Apnea) to last for periods in excess of 30 minutes?
most people that don't breathe for 30 minutes wake up dead.

try harder.

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Re: Central Apnea-Is It Normal To Stop Breathing More Than 30 Minutes At a Time?

Post by Miss Emerita » Tue May 24, 2022 6:55 pm

lazarus wrote:
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Oh, and remind me never to cross the Rubicon.
World-class pun!
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Re: Central Apnea-Is It Normal To Stop Breathing More Than 30 Minutes At a Time?

Post by Rubicon » Wed May 25, 2022 2:30 am

lazarus wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 10:36 am

Although let's hope that the next time Amanda writes about sleep for a supposed medical-article outlet she has it fact-checked by an actual sleep doc:
Random eye movement (REM) sleep is the deepest stage of sleep, and it is the only time that people dream.
To which point are you referring?

a. That REM is "random".
b. That REM is the "deepest stage of sleep".
c. That people only dream in REM.
d. All the above.

While this topic might have had some interesting discussion points, I guess it's "water under the bridge" now.

Oh well, there are far more pressing questions to consider anyway.

Like:

Whatever happened to Maximus' ("Gladiator") dog?

Didn't Daenerys, as "Mother of Dragons", have at least a couple of life events that were REALLY painful?

Did The Wicked Witch of the West ever take a shower?
Freeze this moment a little bit longer.
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Re: Central Apnea-Is It Normal To Stop Breathing More Than 30 Minutes At a Time?

Post by lazarus » Wed May 25, 2022 4:09 am

Rubicon wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 2:30 am
To which point are you referring?

a. That REM is "random".
b. That REM is the "deepest stage of sleep".
c. That people only dream in REM.
d. All the above.
D.

It's not easy to write such a short sentence that manages to get so much wrong. It usually takes me an entire forum post to accomplish that.
The people who confuse "entomology" and "etymology" really bug me beyond words.
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Re: Central Apnea-Is It Normal To Stop Breathing More Than 30 Minutes At a Time?

Post by GearChange » Wed May 25, 2022 5:03 am

lazarus wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 4:09 am
Rubicon wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 2:30 am
To which point are you referring?

a. That REM is "random".
b. That REM is the "deepest stage of sleep".
c. That people only dream in REM.
d. All the above.
D.

It's not easy to write such a short sentence that manages to get so much wrong. It usually takes me an entire forum post to accomplish that.
LOL:-) very true.
The power of anonymity behind a keyboard.
All it takes is an infinite level of inanity and denseness, complemented by a dull sense of self-importance.:-)
Even though I have had extensive experience with the use and functionality of several types of different PAP machines,no information in my posts should be put in practice unless cleared by your own medical practitioner first.

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Re: Central Apnea-Is It Normal To Stop Breathing More Than 30 Minutes At a Time?

Post by GearChange » Wed May 25, 2022 5:47 am

Another great sleep and only two short total cessations with an AHI of 3 something.
If this were my Resmed Aircurve 10 ASV, the AHI would have shown as ZERO with missing critical data such as "Patient Triggered Breathing" because Resmed algo simply ignores much of the flow related events and doesn't even look at the rest, again another topic for another post.
Here's last night's session;

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Re: Central Apnea-Is It Normal To Stop Breathing More Than 30 Minutes At a Time?

Post by jimbud » Wed May 25, 2022 9:16 am

GearChange wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 5:03 am
LOL:-) very true.
The power of anonymity behind a keyboard.
All it takes is an infinite level of inanity and denseness, complemented by a dull sense of self-importance.:-)
Good to see one focusing in on one's problems.

Thought this might help:

https://medium.com/@yogisland/how-to-ge ... 590d7a98ed

You appear to need a bit more work. :wink:

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Re: Central Apnea-Is It Normal To Stop Breathing More Than 30 Minutes At a Time?

Post by palerider » Wed May 25, 2022 9:45 am

GearChange wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 5:03 am
The power of anonymity behind a keyboard.
All it takes is an infinite level of inanity and denseness, complemented by a dull sense of self-importance.:-)
Looking in the mirror again, are you?

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Re: Central Apnea-Is It Normal To Stop Breathing More Than 30 Minutes At a Time?

Post by palerider » Wed May 25, 2022 9:46 am

GearChange wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 5:47 am
again another topic for another post.
On another forum.

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Re: Central Apnea-Is It Normal To Stop Breathing More Than 30 Minutes At a Time?

Post by Pugsy » Wed May 25, 2022 10:09 am

Another post maybe but not a separate topic since you already raised that issue in this thread/topic.
All it will accomplish is to fan further flames here and I am getting a bit tired of it.
If you do a different topic/thread....I will move it to this thread. I don't want 2 crap threads going on here and I have no doubt at all that it would just be making another duplicate of this thread.

You are entitled to your opinion but don't be surprised if you don't find many to agree with you.

I suggest that you should be asking these questions of yours of your doctors or medical care team. They know you and your history and what is important for YOU in the grand scheme of things.

You already pissed off the one person who could maybe give you an answer.
Repeatedly asking the same question isn't going to glean you any more answers than you have had already.

If it concerns you....have a chat with your doctor about it.

Everyone else......please stop with the snide snarky remarks. Totally unhelpful and all it does is poor more gas on the fire and I am tired of putting out fires.

Back on topic please guys/gals...whatever the hell the topic was....and the ideal response IMHO is...."talk to your doctor about your concerns"

GearChange wrote:
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again another topic for another post.

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Re: Central Apnea-Is It Normal To Stop Breathing More Than 30 Minutes At a Time?

Post by dataq1 » Wed May 25, 2022 6:31 pm

Tidal Volume is managed by Philips Respironics ASV for the purpose of managing Central Sleep Apnea.
ResMed ASV maintains a constant Minute Volume to manage Central Sleep Apnea.
http://www.apneaboard.com/wiki/index.ph ... _The_Guide

My understanding of your May 24 Oscar report, specifically between~ 0607 and ~0625, the patient initiated (triggered) about 4-6 breaths out of what might have been an expected 100-150 breaths. However, the ASV took charge and supplied the missing breaths.

So, technically YOU stopped the normal breath cycling, but because the ASV made up the difference so that your system would still maintain oxygenation..... so you wouldn't die.

Is that normal, you not initiating the respiration cycle at that frequency?
IMO, No, it is not normal, and that is why your treatment/therapy requires ASV.
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