My Dreamstation replacement arrived

Sleep2Dream · Post by **Sleep2Dream** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:07 pm

It's a new Dreamstation 2. My old one was the recalled Dreamstation 1. Since the recall, my DME switched me to the ResMed AirSense 10 AutoSet. I seem to remember people not liking the Dreamstation 2 as much as the original. But since this replacement is all paid off, and I'm only four months into monthly payments on the new machine, I'm wondering if I should return the ResMed and keep the new Dreamstation. I like the ResMed fine, except I hate the MyAir app and those stupid smiley faces. On the other hand, no doubt due to differing algorithms, my AHI tends to stay below 1 most of the time with the ResMed (except lately, but that's another story) while my old Dreamstation had me below 5 all the time, but rarely as low as 1. Naturally I like the lower number, lol. So...any thoughts on machine comparisons?

ChicagoGranny · Post by **ChicagoGranny** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:11 pm

Sleep2Dream wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:07 pm
So...any thoughts on machine comparisons?

It's nearly unanimous that the ResMed algorithm and machine quality are significantly better. Keep the Respironics as a backup.

GearChange · Post by **GearChange** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:37 pm

Sleep2Dream wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:07 pm
It's a new Dreamstation 2. My old one was the recalled Dreamstation 1. Since the recall, my DME switched me to the ResMed Airset 10 Autosense. I seem to remember people not liking the Dreamstation 2 as much as the original. But since this replacement is all paid off, and I'm only four months into monthly payments on the new machine, I'm wondering if I should return the ResMed and keep the new Dreamstation. I like the ResMed fine, except I hate the MyAir app and those stupid smiley faces. On the other hand, no doubt due to differing algorithms, my AHI tends to stay below 1 most of the time with the ResMed (except lately, but that's another story) while my old Dreamstation had me below 5 all the time, but rarely as low as 1. Naturally I like the lower number, lol. So...any thoughts on machine comparisons?

I would keep the DS 2 but remember that the DS2 data can no longer be handled by OSCAR or anything else other than DreamMapper which is pretty useless.
I just changed the foam kit on my machine and it works fine and I hope that they send me the same machine because mine is a ASV and DS2 ain't ASV.
Dreamstation software is by far SUPERIOR to Resmed nonsense. Resmed in comparison to Philips software is like a medical student attempting to do his/her firs brain surgery as compared to a seasoned brain surgeon.
I bought a Resmed ASV and it is sitting gathering dust after a few months of use when I went back on my DS. If anyone is interested I am giving it away at a discount, a Resmed Aircurve 10 ASV with only a couple of months on it.

palerider · Post by **palerider** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:28 pm

GearChange wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:37 pm
Dreamstation software is by far SUPERIOR to Resmed nonsense. Resmed in comparison to Philips software is like a medical student attempting to do his/her firs brain surgery as compared to a seasoned brain surgeon.

Well, I guess there's one delusional person in every crowd.

ChicagoGranny · Post by **ChicagoGranny** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:07 pm

palerider wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:28 pm
Well, I guess there's one delusional person in every crowd.

Ya think he was the first for that medical student he speaks of?

GearChange · Post by **GearChange** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:44 pm

palerider wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:28 pm

GearChange wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:37 pm
Dreamstation software is by far SUPERIOR to Resmed nonsense. Resmed in comparison to Philips software is like a medical student attempting to do his/her firs brain surgery as compared to a seasoned brain surgeon.
Well, I guess there's one delusional person in every crowd.

Philips was making sophisticated ventilators when Resemd was figuring out how to get a blower to blow through a tube

Pugsy · Post by **Pugsy** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:17 pm

GearChange wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:44 pm

palerider wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:28 pm

GearChange wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:37 pm
Dreamstation software is by far SUPERIOR to Resmed nonsense. Resmed in comparison to Philips software is like a medical student attempting to do his/her firs brain surgery as compared to a seasoned brain surgeon.
Well, I guess there's one delusional person in every crowd.

Philips was making sophisticated ventilators when Resemd was figuring out how to get a blower to blow through a tube

Well....that's not exactly an accurate statement.

https://www.edensleep.co.nz/blog/the-hi ... ssure-cpap

Dr. Colin Sullivan invented it and a company called Baxter International licensed Dr. Sullivan's patent and that company ended up being ResMed.

And since you use the ASV model...guess who came up with the first ASV???

http://www.lakesidepress.com/CPAP/ASV.htm

ASV.PNG

GearChange · Post by **GearChange** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:49 pm

Pugsy wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:17 pm

GearChange wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:44 pm

palerider wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:28 pm

GearChange wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:37 pm
Dreamstation software is by far SUPERIOR to Resmed nonsense. Resmed in comparison to Philips software is like a medical student attempting to do his/her firs brain surgery as compared to a seasoned brain surgeon.
Well, I guess there's one delusional person in every crowd.

Philips was making sophisticated ventilators when Resemd was figuring out how to get a blower to blow through a tube
Well....that's not exactly an accurate statement.

https://www.edensleep.co.nz/blog/the-hi ... ssure-cpap

Dr. Colin Sullivan invented it and a company called Baxter International licensed Dr. Sullivan's patent and that company ended up being ResMed.

And since you use the ASV model...guess who came up with the first ASV???
http://www.lakesidepress.com/CPAP/ASV.htm

ASV.PNG

Resmed history:
"In 1989, Farrell bought the technology from Baxter for A$1.2 million and launched ResCare to provide CPAP treatment to millions of OSA sufferers worldwide. In 1990, the company established a global headquarters in San Diego, California, and later changed its name to ResMed, short for "Respiratory Medicine."

Respironic History;
"In 1976, company founder Gerald McGinnis opened the company's first manufacturing facility for anesthesia masks near Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Previous product research and manufacturing had occurred in the founder's kitchen. Other early products included endotracheal and tracheostomy products.
The company introduced the first continuous positive airway pressure (CPAP) machine for the treatment of sleep apnea in 1985
Respironics was later bought by Philips, Pennsylvania. and and named it PHILLIPS RESPIRONICS Philips has had a history of respiratory product manufacturing that dates back to the early parts of 1900s.

It looks like one of us doesn't know what they are talking about, and it ain't me.
Apology accepted.

Ps.
Servo ventilation for home use (ASV) is a technology that has been adopted from clinical ventilation , a technology that has been around for a long time. Resmed claims to have "invented it", which they have not. What they did however, was to compact the technology into home pap machines.
We will see more and more of NIV Clinical ventilation tech being adopted into home use , a movement that is already apparent by the proliferation of AVPAS technology.

Merry Christmas y'all.

Pugsy · Post by **Pugsy** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:58 pm

Wow...do you know it all...you also hear stuff that was never said.

GearChange wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:49 pm
It looks like one of us doesn't know what they are talking about, and it ain't me.
Apology accepted.

Have a nice day.

Oh...BTW....links from cited/quoted stuff is appreciated. While I am sure you would never make anything up...it's just good manners to provide links to documentation when you are being an ass about something.
We all have zero idea where you came up with your "facts".

GearChange · Post by **GearChange** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:05 pm

Pugsy wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:58 pm
Wow...do you know it all...you also hear stuff that was never said.

GearChange wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:49 pm
It looks like one of us doesn't know what they are talking about, and it ain't me.
Apology accepted.
Have a nice day.

Oh...BTW....links from cited/quoted stuff is appreciated. While I am sure you would never make anything up...it's just good manners to provide links to documentation when you are being an ass about something.
We all have zero idea where you came up with your "facts".

Ok fine, I am not a research assistant but here it is:

Respironics history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respironics

Resmed History:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ResMed

Pugsy · Post by **Pugsy** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:20 pm

Ok fine, I am not a research assistant but here it is:

I am not a research assistant either but when I quote something I provide where I got my information as a courtesy to others.
Just common courtesy...which not everyone has I guess.

Have a nice day.

No need for more snide comments....they are off topic and getting this thread derailed...and not permitted.

Any more smart ass comments or snide remarks or digs....will be removed.
You got to make your point and digs in....move on.

In case you don't know since you are new here....hijacking a thread and derailing it...
once I request that the unwanted behavior cease and desist...in other words....GET BACK ON TOPIC and the topic wasn't who built the first cpap machine or which is better...
Any further OT stuff gets removed...promptly and without further warning.

This is the only warning.....GET BACK ON TOPIC or watch posts go poof.

My apologies to the OP here for my part here. I should have left well enough alone.

Sleep2Dream · Post by **Sleep2Dream** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:44 pm

I am curious as to why people think ResMed's algorithm is superior to Philips. Is it just because it makes us look better? I know I really like seeing an AHI of under 1 as opposed to an AHI of under 5. But it does make me wonder how much is just a numbers game. Why do people assume that respiratory therapists, or whatever, they're called, are wrong when they call "normal" anything under 5? And why would my results be so different with the same masks/headgear and two different but both highly regarded machines? (And do I care? I haven't felt any difference in terms of how tired I feel when I wake up in the morning.)

Sleep2Dream · Post by **Sleep2Dream** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:49 pm

Pugsy wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:20 pm

Ok fine, I am not a research assistant but here it is:
I am not a research assistant either but when I quote something I provide where I got my information as a courtesy to others.
Just common courtesy...which not everyone has I guess.

Have a nice day.

No need for more snide comments....they are off topic and getting this thread derailed...and not permitted.

Any more smart ass comments or snide remarks or digs....will be removed.
You got to make your point and digs in....move on.

In case you don't know since you are new here....hijacking a thread and derailing it...
once I request that the unwanted behavior cease and desist...in other words....GET BACK ON TOPIC and the topic wasn't who built the first cpap machine or which is better...
Any further OT stuff gets removed...promptly and without further warning.

This is the only warning.....GET BACK ON TOPIC or watch posts go poof.

My apologies to the OP here for my part here. I should have left well enough alone.

Thank you for this. One reason I keep leaving the community is all the snarkiness. I'm just looking for information about the experience of others. Which is why I keep coming back, despite the snarkiness.

Pugsy · Post by **Pugsy** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 8:00 pm

Why do some people prefer a Ford and others prefer a Chevy? They both can get a person to where they want to go but sometimes how they go about getting a person there is a little different.

Respironics machines that have auto adjusting algorithms can give the exact same results a person might get with the ResMed auto adjusting algorithm...just not at the exact same settings do to the difference in the working function of the algorithms.

You could probably get the same nice low 1.0 or there abouts AHI with the Respironics machine with just some tweaking of your settings.
ResMed responds a little faster when it auto adjusts. It's just the way the algorithm works.
Does that make it "better"....well maybe for some people but others might not like that "little bit faster" thing.

I personally don't like using just numbers alone for any evaluation anyway. I learned a long time ago that numbers don't really mean much all by themselves.
I know the medical profession uses them a lot and people seem to value having something numerically to lay their hat on and judge how they are doing but they really don't tell the whole story.

And I started with the Respironics auto adjusting machine....so I have experience with both brands.
I could get same low AHI with Respironics as I get with ResMed...I just have to use about 2 or 3 cm more baseline minimum pressure to get it done.
I like using less pressure though...

So I like the more rapid response but others might not like it or even need it....so to me "better" is mostly in the eye of the beholder and depends a lot on a person's wants, preferences and needs.
Until foamgate...I always spoke highly of Respironics. Not so much now but not because of the algorithm.

And...we will always have some snarkiness here...I hate it myself but it sort of comes with the territory when you have a forum owner who doesn't like censorship. I have to walk a fine line. A little heated discussion is one thing but totally derailing a thread and then persistent snide snarky crap....I gotta stop it....especially if I have added fuel to the snarky fire. My apologies for sure....but I am human and when I am cranky it sometimes shows more than I would like.

Sleep2Dream · Post by **Sleep2Dream** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 8:09 pm

Pugsy wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 8:00 pm
Why do some people prefer a Ford and others prefer a Chevy? They both can get a person to where they want to go but sometimes how they go about getting a person there is a little different.

Respironics machines that have auto adjusting algorithms can give the exact same results a person might get with the ResMed auto adjusting algorithm...just not at the exact same settings do to the difference in the working function of the algorithms.

You could probably get the same nice low 1.0 or there abouts AHI with the Respironics machine with just some tweaking of your settings.
ResMed responds a little faster when it auto adjusts. It's just the way the algorithm works.
Does that make it "better"....well maybe for some people but others might not like that "little bit faster" thing.

I personally don't like using just numbers alone for any evaluation anyway. I learned a long time ago that numbers don't really mean much all by themselves.
I know the medical profession uses them a lot and people seem to value having something numerically to lay their hat on and judge how they are doing but they really don't tell the whole story.

And I started with the Respironics auto adjusting machine....so I have experience with both brands.
I could get same low AHI with Respironics as I get with ResMed...I just have to use about 2 or 3 cm more baseline minimum pressure to get it done.
I like using less pressure though...
So I like the more rapid response but others might not like it or even need it....so to me "better" is mostly in the eye of the beholder and depends a lot on a person's wants, preferences and needs.
Until foamgate...I always spoke highly of Respironics. Not so much now but not because of the algorithm.

And...we will always have some snarkiness here...I hate it myself but it sort of comes with the territory when you have a forum owner who doesn't like censorship. I have to walk a fine line. A little heated discussion is one thing but totally derailing a thread and then persistent snide snarky crap....I gotta stop it....especially if I have added fuel to the snarky fire. My apologies for sure....but I am human and when I am cranky it sometimes shows more than I would like.

In my limited experience here, you, Pugsy, have never been a problem. You are informed, infomational, and not snarky when it comes to honest questions and concerns. Thanks for your explanation. I prefer less pressure myself, though I have my ResMed set to the same settings I liked on the Dreamstation. Though I keep thinking about getting rid of the ramp...I just keep forgetting to try it! Anyway, thank you for everything you do for our nighttime-breathing-challenged community.

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