FDA Update: Certain Philips Respironics Ventilators, BiPAP, and CPAP Machines Recalled Due to Potential Health Risks

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FDA Update: Certain Philips Respironics Ventilators, BiPAP, and CPAP Machines Recalled Due to Potential Health Risks

Post by SleepGeek » Sat Nov 13, 2021 8:00 pm

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Re: FDA Update: Certain Philips Respironics Ventilators, BiPAP, and CPAP Machines Recalled Due to Potential Health Risks

Post by Goofproof » Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:38 am

Maybe the FDA changed a word in their original paper, or they needed to write something to confirm the need for their paycheck. Or maybe it's for people that are late to the Party. Jim
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Re: FDA Update: Certain Philips Respironics Ventilators, BiPAP, and CPAP Machines Recalled Due to Potential Health Risks

Post by chunkyfrog » Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:37 pm

So, the FDA is still allowing P/R to replace the recalled units
with newer, INFERIOR equipment, even though the best solution
would be to issue REFUNDS.
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Re: FDA Update: Certain Philips Respironics Ventilators, BiPAP, and CPAP Machines Recalled Due to Potential Health Risks

Post by Rock Star » Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:33 pm

I received an email today with the below link.
Mostly it talked about registration (if you haven't yet done so) and talking with your doc about whether or not to continue using your device.
https://www.usa.philips.com/healthcare/ ... src-update

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Re: FDA Update: Certain Philips Respironics Ventilators, BiPAP, and CPAP Machines Recalled Due to Potential Health Risks

Post by zonker » Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:37 pm

Rock Star wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:33 pm
I received an email today with the below link.
Mostly it talked about registration (if you haven't yet done so) and talking with your doc about whether or not to continue using your device.
https://www.usa.philips.com/healthcare/ ... src-update
me too. it also tells us this won't be completed until sept 2022.
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Re: FDA Update: Certain Philips Respironics Ventilators, BiPAP, and CPAP Machines Recalled Due to Potential Health Risks

Post by Pugsy » Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:55 pm

zonker wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:37 pm
it also tells us this won't be completed until sept 2022.
If people are lucky Sept 2022 which I privately doubted that goal date and that was before this latest monkey wrench thrown in with the FDA wanting more information about the "new silicone" foam being put in DS2 and refurbished machines.

My crystal ball says this fiasco will likely go into 2023 and that doesn't even take into consideration the bilevel models that Philips hasn't even begun to replace/fix because they aren't even making bilevel DS 2 models yet. I predict it will be a long time before they are able to produce the bilevels. I hope I am wrong.
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Re: FDA Update: Certain Philips Respironics Ventilators, BiPAP, and CPAP Machines Recalled Due to Potential Health Risks

Post by chunkyfrog » Thu Nov 18, 2021 7:35 pm

Maybe another company will step up to the plate.
Leave P/R in their own crumbled, toxic foam--exactly where they belong!
Devillbiss makes decent, machines, that run on AC or DC.
There are others.
No reason we cannot have CHOICES.
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Re: FDA Update: Certain Philips Respironics Ventilators, BiPAP, and CPAP Machines Recalled Due to Potential Health Risks

Post by zonker » Thu Nov 18, 2021 7:41 pm

Pugsy wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:55 pm
zonker wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:37 pm
it also tells us this won't be completed until sept 2022.
If people are lucky Sept 2022 which I privately doubted that goal date and that was before this latest monkey wrench thrown in with the FDA wanting more information about the "new silicone" foam being put in DS2 and refurbished machines.

My crystal ball says this fiasco will likely go into 2023 and that doesn't even take into consideration the bilevel models that Philips hasn't even begun to replace/fix because they aren't even making bilevel DS 2 models yet. I predict it will be a long time before they are able to produce the bilevels. I hope I am wrong.

i'm sitting here in good shape and will continue to be without regard to WHAT these jack holes do. i feel sorry for the tons of folk who now find themselves without a machine and decreasing chances (every day) of getting SOMEthing out of this.

have never been even tangentially connected to any product recall before. so i don't even know if this is just how things generally go or if philips is messing this up.
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Technician predicts recall of DS2 machines!

Post by D.H. » Thu Nov 18, 2021 7:43 pm

We've already had discussions of a potential safety issues with the new foam used in DS2 machines.

However, here is a sleep technician openly predicting a recall on the DS2 machines.

If this happens, I can't see Philips staying remaining in this business long-term!

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Re: FDA Update: Certain Philips Respironics Ventilators, BiPAP, and CPAP Machines Recalled Due to Potential Health Risks

Post by Respirator99 » Thu Nov 18, 2021 8:32 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 7:35 pm
Maybe another company will step up to the plate.
Leave P/R in their own crumbled, toxic foam--exactly where they belong!
Devillbiss makes decent, machines, that run on AC or DC.
There are others.
No reason we cannot have CHOICES.
DeVilbiss have ceased making CPAP machines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXw3UwmHPc8

There are others, eg Fisher & Paykel, Lowenstein, etc. But I predict the market will be swamped with low cost Chinese machines such as BMC Luna etc. I can't see Philips remaining a major player after this, especially as word of their long-term cover up gets out. Philips' share price dropped by 11% overnight when the latest results were announced.

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Re: FDA Update: Certain Philips Respironics Ventilators, BiPAP, and CPAP Machines Recalled Due to Potential Health Risks

Post by zonker » Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:41 pm

Respirator99 wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 8:32 pm
chunkyfrog wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 7:35 pm
Maybe another company will step up to the plate.
Leave P/R in their own crumbled, toxic foam--exactly where they belong!
Devillbiss makes decent, machines, that run on AC or DC.
There are others.
No reason we cannot have CHOICES.
DeVilbiss have ceased making CPAP machines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXw3UwmHPc8

There are others, eg Fisher & Paykel, Lowenstein, etc. But I predict the market will be swamped with low cost Chinese machines such as BMC Luna etc. I can't see Philips remaining a major player after this, especially as word of their long-term cover up gets out. Philips' share price dropped by 11% overnight when the latest results were announced.
yeah, i predict we are going to see more and more users here with those "low cost" machines pretty soon now.

i hate to see it. and i hope this plays out well for all involved.

that is, the users. not philips. THEY can go to hell.
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Re: FDA Update: Certain Philips Respironics Ventilators, BiPAP, and CPAP Machines Recalled Due to Potential Health Risks

Post by Matt00926 » Fri Nov 19, 2021 9:16 am

What's really devastating is the impact on ventilator dependent patients, who essentially have no choice but to continue to use their devices. The Trilogy 100, except for the foam issue, has been an excellent portable ventilator that is simple to use and versatile.

The newer Trilogy Evo feels like a piece of junk in comparison, and apparently the new "silicone based foam" on these newer machines has failed VOC testing.

While I want PR to pay for their sins, in the end it's the patients who actually suffer. PR going out of business isn't going to get people a new device.
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Re: FDA Update: Certain Philips Respironics Ventilators, BiPAP, and CPAP Machines Recalled Due to Potential Health Risks

Post by zonker » Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:50 am

Matt00926 wrote:
Fri Nov 19, 2021 9:16 am

While I want PR to pay for their sins, in the end it's the patients who actually suffer. PR going out of business isn't going to get people a new device.

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Re: FDA Update: Certain Philips Respironics Ventilators, BiPAP, and CPAP Machines Recalled Due to Potential Health Risks

Post by D.H. » Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:44 am

Matt00926 wrote:
Fri Nov 19, 2021 9:16 am

. . .

While I want PR to pay for their sins, in the end it's the patients who actually suffer. PR going out of business isn't going to get people a new device.
The solution here is to punish the individuals responsible, and put all of Philips (or just that division) under court supervision.

The company is guilty of multiple felonies and should be put on "probation."

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Post by chunkyfrog » Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:01 am

D.H. wrote:
Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:44 am
Matt00926 wrote:
Fri Nov 19, 2021 9:16 am

. . .

While I want PR to pay for their sins, in the end it's the patients who actually suffer. PR going out of business isn't going to get people a new device.
The solution here is to punish the individuals responsible, and put all of Philips (or just that division) under court supervision.

The company is guilty of multiple felonies and should be put on "probation."
The real challenge is getting safe therapy to those who most need it--ASAP!!!
Individuals are definitely responsible--they need to be identified, and LOCKED UP.
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