Resmed Aircurve 11?

HairyReasoner · Post by **HairyReasoner** » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:48 pm

From what I've read, it sounds as though the Resmed Airsense 11 is about out--some are saying August. I know manufacturers often first release the CPAP devices sometime before the Bilevel ones, but having been a Phillips user up until now, I know nothing of the typical Resmed schedule. Does anybody have an idea, based upon Resmed's past pattern, of how long after the Airsense 11 is released that the Aircurve 11 might be coming along?

Also, I've heard good reports that the OSCAR folks are making good progress at support for the Airsense 11. Does the Aircurve typically use a similar data structure so that I could be optimistic the Aircurve 11 is likely to be supported by OSCAR--or is that something we have no way of guessing at until the machine actually comes out?

GrumpyHere · Post by **GrumpyHere** » Sun Jul 04, 2021 1:14 am

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:24 am

jtech1 wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:23 am
I read through this thread, but did not see any info about whether there is a new AirCurve 11 coming or just the AirSense this year? Has there been any info found on that?
The AirCurve 10 models were not tied to the AirSense 10 models at launch.

One of the requirements for US devices with radios in them is, submission to the FCC for approval. The AirSense 10, FCC documents are dated July 2014, it was announced August 2014, no mention of the AirCurve 10. There is no mention of AirCurve 11 models in the AirSense 10 documents.

Also worth mentioning is the DreamStation 2. It's FCC documents reference only the CPAP and APAP devices, and were dated April 2020. No mention of a new BiPAP. The DS 2 was released April 2021, and still no DS 2 BiPAP.

So given there are still no (Publicly known) FCC submissions for the AirCurve 11, or DS 2 BiPAP, I think we can safely assume that BiLevels are a ways away. To further complicate things, assuming an AirCurve 11 and DS 2 BiPAP are similar to their CPAP/APAP line with regard to radios we can expect a much short approval process. The FCC submission is an American requirement, but other countries have similar testing and approvals, though access to documents is not easy.

HairyReasoner · Post by **HairyReasoner** » Sun Jul 04, 2021 2:57 pm

GrumpyHere wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 04, 2021 1:14 am

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:24 am

jtech1 wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:23 am
I read through this thread, but did not see any info about whether there is a new AirCurve 11 coming or just the AirSense this year? Has there been any info found on that?
The AirCurve 10 models were not tied to the AirSense 10 models at launch.

One of the requirements for US devices with radios in them is, submission to the FCC for approval. The AirSense 10, FCC documents are dated July 2014, it was announced August 2014, no mention of the AirCurve 10. There is no mention of AirCurve 11 models in the AirSense 10 documents.

Also worth mentioning is the DreamStation 2. It's FCC documents reference only the CPAP and APAP devices, and were dated April 2020. No mention of a new BiPAP. The DS 2 was released April 2021, and still no DS 2 BiPAP.

So given there are still no (Publicly known) FCC submissions for the AirCurve 11, or DS 2 BiPAP, I think we can safely assume that BiLevels are a ways away. To further complicate things, assuming an AirCurve 11 and DS 2 BiPAP are similar to their CPAP/APAP line with regard to radios we can expect a much short approval process. The FCC submission is an American requirement, but other countries have similar testing and approvals, though access to documents is not easy.

I hadn't thought of looking through FCC documents. But, if the introduction of new Bilevels is a ways away on the DS2, then it seems Phillips only choice of what to do regarding the DS1 Bilevel machines will be to repair them. I just hope we get our own units back if that's the case.

Pugsy · Post by **Pugsy** » Sun Jul 04, 2021 3:39 pm

HairyReasoner wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 04, 2021 2:57 pm
hadn't thought of looking through FCC documents. But, if the introduction of new Bilevels is a ways away on the DS2, then it seems Phillips only choice of what to do regarding the DS1 Bilevel machines will be to repair them. I just hope we get our own units back if that's the case.

Respironics bilevel machines have always been later to the market after a model change...2 to 3 months at least.
The high end specialty bilevels like the ASV....6 to 8 months later at least. Historically they always seem to start the release of the new model line with the apap model.

ResMed historically haven't taken as long with their bilevel machines after a new model release. I don't remember how long it was before we saw AirCurve 10 models after the release of the Autoset....but it wasn't nearly as long as with Respironics.

If people want to make sure they get their own personal machine back after a repair vs a replacement...
simply keep a copy of your serial number and make sure it matches when you get your machine back.
Respironics isn't going to be messing with changing serial numbers on machines to try to pull a fast one.

HairyReasoner · Post by **HairyReasoner** » Sun Jul 04, 2021 4:10 pm

Pugsy wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 04, 2021 3:39 pm
If people want to make sure they get their own personal machine back after a repair vs a replacement...
simply keep a copy of your serial number and make sure it matches when you get your machine back.
Respironics isn't going to be messing with changing serial numbers on machines to try to pull a fast one.

Yes, that will tell me if they switched mine with another one. What I will be asking them is how I get them to send me mine back instead of somebody else's.

chunkyfrog · Post by **chunkyfrog** » Sun Jul 04, 2021 4:23 pm

Of course, with everything that has transpired in the last 16 months-
-we only have guesses.

BlueDragon · Post by **BlueDragon** » Sun Jul 04, 2021 7:05 pm

HairyReasoner wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:48 pm
Does the Aircurve typically use a similar data structure so that I could be optimistic the Aircurve 11 is likely to be supported by OSCAR--or is that something we have no way of guessing at until the machine actually comes out?

In the past, yes, data structure for the AirCurve has been the same as for the AirSense. I would expect that OSCAR could easily be modified to support a new AirCurve model. Could ResMed throw us a bad curve? Sure, but I've not seen any reason to suggest that might be coming.

alancalan · Post by **alancalan** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:58 am

HairyReasoner wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:48 pm
From what I've read, it sounds as though the Resmed Airsense 11 is about out--some are saying August. I know manufacturers often first release the CPAP devices sometime before the Bilevel ones, but having been a Phillips user up until now, I know nothing of the typical Resmed schedule. Does anybody have an idea, based upon Resmed's past pattern, of how long after the Airsense 11 is released that the Aircurve 11 might be coming along?

Also, I've heard good reports that the OSCAR folks are making good progress at support for the Airsense 11. Does the Aircurve typically use a similar data structure so that I could be optimistic the Aircurve 11 is likely to be supported by OSCAR--or is that something we have no way of guessing at until the machine actually comes out?

It's a year later and we have nothing. I got my S9 at the end of 2013 it's almost 9 years old and it's not working well as I can't use the humidifier and the selector button broke so if you tilt it it could fall off and right now it fell out and I don't know where it is. I don't want to get an air curve 10 and then sit with an old machine an old technology for another 9 years. Does anyone know what's going on? Are they just making ventilators and bipaps?

SleepGeek · Post by **SleepGeek** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:14 am

alancalan wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:58 am
I don't want to get an air curve 10 and then sit with an old machine an old technology for another 9 years.

Your call but the Aircurve is proven, more than adequate, AND available.

The 11 may have problems or features you don't want. You prob like to update your computer as soon as they release an update?

I always wait until things are tried and proven by those who just can't wait.

alancalan · Post by **alancalan** » Wed May 24, 2023 8:56 am

What can be happening with the Air Curve 11? Has anyone made a successful jump from BiPAP to CPAP after using the BiPAP for 20 years. Yeah I had a Sullivan BiPAP to start with because my sleep study was lousy as I couldn't sleep and they gave me the Sullivan BiPAP with average settings. Over the years things got so much better though with the S8 and the S9 and the masks. Now I'm using the p35 and my results are so much better than they ever were. I did try a Fisher paykel mask and my numbers were so bad I was in the 20s for apnea events. I got the S9 at the end a 2013 and had I waited just a little bit longer I could have gotten the air curve 10. Now I don't want to go back to 10 year old technology with that same air curve 10 I could have gotten in early 2014.

Does anyone have any idea what the holdup is? I heard at one point it was the radio but I doubt that's what it is. I assume maybe they were trying to make the air curve 11 easily changeable to a ventilator if covid comes back or something else happens. It just doesn't make sense what's taking so long. My S9 still works but it's falling apart it's cracked in certain places and one of the knobs doesn't work well but overall I'm still doing its job.

palerider · Post by **palerider** » Wed May 24, 2023 1:11 pm

alancalan wrote: ↑
Wed May 24, 2023 8:56 am
Does anyone have any idea what the holdup is? I heard at one point it was the radio but I doubt that's what it is.

There's no difference between the S9 VPAP Auto and the Aircurve 10 VAuto, they're just a different shape. There's no reason to suspect that the 11 will be anything other than a different shape.

alancalan wrote: ↑
Wed May 24, 2023 8:56 am
I assume maybe they were trying to make the air curve 11 easily changeable to a ventilator if covid comes back or something else happens. It just doesn't make sense what's taking so long.

Some of the Aircurve 10 machines ARE ventilators, (the ASV and iVAPS machines). the only difference is the programming. I've got a S9 VPAP Tx, which is the machine that they use in sleep labs to titrate people, it has all the modes, (and goes up to 30cmH₂O). And what makes you think Covid is gone? I got it back in January.

alancalan wrote: ↑
Wed May 24, 2023 8:56 am
My S9 still works but it's falling apart it's cracked in certain places and one of the knobs doesn't work well but overall I'm still doing its job.

Plastics are easy enough to replace, you could grab any S9 machine, the crappy S9 escape, and swap the case. They're all the same inside.
Here's pics: https://imgur.com/a/S0ojG

HairyReasoner · Post by **HairyReasoner** » Fri May 26, 2023 9:42 pm

alancalan wrote: ↑
Wed May 24, 2023 8:56 am

Does anyone have any idea what the holdup is? I heard at one point it was the radio but I doubt that's what it is. I assume maybe they were trying to make the air curve 11 easily changeable to a ventilator if covid comes back or something else happens. It just doesn't make sense what's taking so long. My S9 still works but it's falling apart it's cracked in certain places and one of the knobs doesn't work well but overall I'm still doing its job.

Since I started this thread almost two years ago, I've only been able to think of one reason that may or may not be correct. At the time I was thinking there would be a new machine released in about 6 months, so I though my purchase of an Aircurve 10 was soon going to have me with the past model.

The only thing I can think of is that right now there is no pressure or marketing reason to drop the new units. Philips was just introducing the DS2 when the recall started, and they pretty much had to start making them available. But if they introduced the BiPAP version now, they'd have to be giving them away as recall replacements instead of selling them as the latest and greatest at a premium price to get market share. They have no incentive to introduce a new machine now.

And, without having competition from a new machine from Philips, and currently selling all the units they can make now, Resmed has no incentive to introduce their new Aircurve 11. Doing so wouldn't help them from a marketing perspective, either. Might as well sell more of the old design where they've already got their design investment back and make more profit.

In short, I'm thinking at least until Philips is done with the recall and is back in the new machine market, and maybe not until the machine shortage corrects and they need some marketing excitement to encourage sales, will we see the new machines introduced. I may well be wrong, but that is my guess. Maybe they'll be introduced next week for all I know.

In the meantime, it's a plus for those of us who bought the old model. Since they're still selling those they'll have to produce supplies for them longer, so it will be longer before our machines are obsolete.

And, as far as Resmed goes, I'm not convinced I'd prefer the new model from some reports I've seen on the Airsense 11 (although I've also seen some who really like them).

We know the Aircurve 11 is pretty much ready to go because there has been documentation on the FCC website for about a year. But I haven't seen it on the FDA site yet.

alancalan · Post by **alancalan** » Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:32 am

They lost an entire 5 year set of machines. In the 10 years they would have sold the 11 and the 12 soon. I have not replaced my s9 and I got it at the end of 2013. Businesswise it wasn't smart, How many of us are holding back? The AirCurve 10 was released in the middle of 2014, about 6 months after I got the S9.I could have gotten an 11 in 2019 and a 12 in 2024.

Okie bipap · Post by **Okie bipap** » Wed Jun 07, 2023 1:07 pm

My wife and I both got new Air Curve 10 VAUTOs in January. Since we were used to them, and already had plenty of extra supplies on hand, we wanted the Air Curve 10, not some other model. These and our spares will last us several more years.

chunkyfrog · Post by **chunkyfrog** » Wed Jun 07, 2023 1:33 pm

Periodic model changes are by nature, mostly cosmetic.
[[[Observe automotive trends.]]]
Dramatic events in the marketplace can affect rollout of new models.
Remember the pandemic and the sudden demand for respirators?
Even the philips recall-gate has affected the market.
Yes, yet another thing we can thank (blame) respironics for.

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