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WWu777 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:16 pm

Don't you understand? It takes TWO or more people to start a conflict. Not one.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:16 pm

So the problem must be YOU.

If you make the statement that it takes "*TWO* or more people to start a conflict, not one.", how can you then conclude that the problem solely rests on one?

WWu777, it sounds as though your software could tell your mother the range for her AHI (apnea/hypopnea index) on the nights she was using your machine. But a low range would not show that she doesn't have apnea. She may have apnea that is decently treated at the pressure settings of your machine. Also, it sounds as though you don't have any way of knowing the make-up of the AHI (obstructive apnea, central apnea, hypopnea). Without that information, a clear diagnosis is not possible.

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:55 am

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:16 pm

Don't you understand? It takes TWO or more people to start a conflict. Not one.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:16 pm

So the problem must be YOU.

If you make the statement that it takes "*TWO* or more people to start a conflict, not one.", how can you then conclude that the problem solely rests on one?

Well one way to statistically answer that is to calculate the mean:
For 2 samples of 1 person each then {
the sample mean is 1 person + 1 person / 2 people which = mean value of 1 person.
}

So on average 1 must be the problem ...

BTW - I think Miss Emerita is absolutely correct!

I asked the same question to a CPAP Reviewer on YouTube from Australia. Here is his response. Notice that he's polite, civilized, and upbeat, not like some of the grouchies here. Those of you who are grouchy should take a lesson from his nice professional behavior and attitude below. Notice that he can reply and be nice and informative without insulting me or mocking me in an immature manner, unlike some people on forums.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXYOUC1UMA4

"Question for you Nick. Can Nitelog tell me if my mom has sleep apnea in theory if I hook her up to my Z2 CPAP device and used Nitelog to monitor the data. Would that be able to diagnose if she has sleep apnea? Would that be sufficient? Or would only the OSCAR software be able to do that? Can the program tell how often you choke or gasp for air during sleep?

If my Nitelog app can tell how many times that sleep apnea has occured with green, yellow and red bars, then in theory I can test if someone has apnea with it right? For example, if I hook my mom up with it, and the data report the next day shows that she has yellow or red bars, that means she has apnea more than 5 times per hour (yellow bar) or more than 15 times per hour (red bar) right? According to the apnea chart that is. So in theory that should work right?"

His reply:

"Hi there, yes that's a great question that you raise! You could certainly use Auto CPAP to give you an idea if someone has apnea and you could do this a couple of ways.

1. You could just check out the pressure statistics to see if indeed the machine was increasing the pressure throughout the night. If it was then we could assume that it was doing so in response to sleep disordered breathing however it doesn't give us really accurate diagnosis.

2. You could fix the pressure at the lowest level (4cm) and then check the AHI after a nights use. If the AHI is above 10 then there's likely some sleep disordered breathing but once again, probably not super accurate diagnosis.

Personally i'v always considered sleep apnea testing to be a bit of scam. Just another way for doctors / specialists / hospitals / clinics to make more money. 95% of the time, if the diagnosis is positive they just recommend trialling CPAP therapy anyway so why not just let people trial it for a few months and see if it improves their sleep / wellbeing etc and you could also use the data from the machine to guide you.

Moreover, the testing process is flawed in so many ways and i can guarantee you that if you give the same raw sleep recordings to two different sleep techs the report / diagnosis will be different.

In the next 3-5 years i'm sure there will be HUGE changes in the way sleep apnea is diagnosed. I'm sure there must be some companies working with the apple watch etc. Thanks for your great question! You're spot on really."

DreamStalker wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:06 pm

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:55 am

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:16 pm

Don't you understand? It takes TWO or more people to start a conflict. Not one.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:16 pm

So the problem must be YOU.

If you make the statement that it takes "*TWO* or more people to start a conflict, not one.", how can you then conclude that the problem solely rests on one?

Well one way to statistically answer that is to calculate the mean:
For 2 samples of 1 person each then {
the sample mean is 1 person + 1 person / 2 people which = mean value of 1 person.
}

So on average 1 must be the problem ...

BTW - I think Miss Emerita is absolutely correct!

Sorry I used the wrong word. I meant "it takes two people to ESCALATE a conflict" not start one. Sure, one person can start the conflict, but it takes both to continue to escalate it. We all know that. In my case, for sure palerider started attacking me out of nowhere. I did nothing to provoke him or attack him. In schoolboy terms "he started it, not me". Our posting history proves that for all to see. Please don't spin things against me. Only enemies and political opponents do that, and we are not that.

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:55 am

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:16 pm

Don't you understand? It takes TWO or more people to start a conflict. Not one.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:16 pm

So the problem must be YOU.

If you make the statement that it takes "*TWO* or more people to start a conflict, not one.", how can you then conclude that the problem solely rests on one?

Sorry I misspoke. I meant "escalate a conflict", not just "start one". In this case he clearly started it no doubt, which you can see from his posting history, and I was trying to stop it before it escalated.

I was giving chunkyfrog and palerider a basic life lesson. In this case, I think the problem is him, palerider, because I never started anything with him. He attacked me out of nowhere. But even if it wasn't just him, then it would be both of us, definitely not me since I never started anything with him and never attacked him. Anyone can see that in my posting history. Why are you directing that question at me rather than at palerider or chunkyfrog? Why aren't you questioning them or nitpicking them or challenging them too? Is there a bias on your part?

Have you noticed a double standard here? It seems that it's perfectly OK for anyone to insult me or mock me here, or say mean things to me or slander me, all they want. Perfectly fine. But if I defend myself or retaliate you act like I am the rude one and the other ones who attacked me FIRST are innocent. Total double standard. How would you feel if a double standard like that was against you? You wouldn't like it either right?

Don't you care about right and wrong? Weren't you taught to be considerate of other people's feelings? Didn't your parents or teachers teach you such things? If you are considerate, then you would put yourself in my place and agree that you too would not like to have double standards against you too right?

Simple question for you: What if you came to my forum and the same double standards were levied against you? In that anyone is free to attack or insult you, but as soon as you rightfully defend yourself or stick up for yourself and tell the truth, you are seen as the "rude annoying one" etc? You would think that that was unfair right? Be honest please. Admit it.

Btw Dog Slobber, I was about to give you another lesson in logic in another thread, but it got locked. Here's the lesson:

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:04 pm

Goofproof wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:44 am

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:14 am

Goofproof wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 31, 2020 10:48 am

Too Bad, Science was misused to create weapons like Sars and Covid-19 in the first place.

Citation needed.

First a Pick & Shovel is needed to remove dirt and rocks from in front of your cave.

I use News and Internet.

If you don't understand what "Citation needed" means, just ask. It does not mean "How do you get your information?"

A citation isn't proof. It just means its official and endorsed by authority. But authority is not truth. Truth is the authority. See my treatise about that here:

http://www.happierabroad.com/Awakening.htm

And my other site debunking pseudo-skeptics:

http://www.debunkingskeptics.com

Btw, you can find many "citations" on Wikipedia and government sites that Oswald acted alone in assassinating JFK, but we all know it isn't true. There was a massive conspiracy and cover up, and lots of proof and evidence to prove it, as any wise informed person knows. Look up Jim Marrs books and research and lectures/interviews, and see the Oliver Stone movie JFK too for more details. In fact, the 2nd official government investigation by the House Select Committee of Assassinations in 1978 concluded that Oswald did not act alone and that there "probably was a conspiracy" involved. And dozens of whistleblowers and insiders from the CIA and mafia have confessed to their involvement too, some on their deathbed and some before they died mysteriously.

So no, official citations are not proof. They are just backed by an authority organization. Doesn't make it true. No one is infallible. Anyone can lie, especially if they have a vested interest to do so. Also like I explained before, Americans have known government and media lie since the 1960's. So where have you been? Why are you way behind the curve? Only those who are brainwashed to believe that authority=truth (which is what we are conditioned to believe) see citations as proof. See my treatise above about why that's not true. Think about it.

palerider wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:46 pm

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:16 pm

Leave me alone please.

Hmm.. let me think...
No

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:16 pm

I never did anything wrong to you.

You came into a form devoted to helping people, and started acting stupid.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:16 pm

So the problem must be YOU.

You just keep telling yourself that.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:16 pm

I hope this isn't a small minded community that believes that the newbie is always wrong

Nope, many of us have just decided that YOU are wrong.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:16 pm

I hate forums like that,

Maybe you should go back to your precious forum and quit darkening this one.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:16 pm

Please stop bullying me.

As far as I remember, I haven't given you a swirly, yet.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:16 pm

Please don't reply to my posts anymore.

Depends on the post, crap like this, I'm replying to.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:16 pm

I am here to learn about CPAP

You've shown no evidence of that yet.

Btw palerider, I noticed in your signature this line:

"Accounts to put on the foe list: mper!?, DreamDiver, Geer1, almostadoctor, ajack, stom, mogy, D.H., They're often post misleading, timewasting stuff."

So apparently, I'm not the only one you've had an online feud with it seems. This means you have a PATTERN of getting into unnecessary immature fights with people online. So it isn't me, it must be you. I'm a nice civilized peaceful guy who NEVER seeks unnecessary conflict and seek inner peace and spirituality, no joke. Are you gonna add me to your signature list of people you don't like here? lol

My guess is you have inner demons and bullying issues that you project onto others. Anyone who is slightly different or stands out, gives you a target which you automatically focus on instinctively without conscious thought. In school you probably bullied some kids too. Probably you grew up in a dysfunctional family and was not taught right from wrong by your parents, and you did not real good moral tales in good books like Aesop's Fables too, unlike me. That would be my good guess.

Wu - I think you just like conflict and I think this is not the forum for debating that or anything other than specific talk about cpap issues. Please stop turning posts into WWIII and go somewhere else... stop directing your posts to individuals here - the fastest way to detach from someone you don't like is to not respond at all - and don't come back with some argument about me now... just go find a forum that likes personal stuff (you've been on a psych one x 10 yrs apparently) and leave this one to Cpap business.

Sigh....someone did exactly what I specifically said not to do.

The question for this thread "Can I diagnose sleep apnea for my mom with my machine"

The answer repeatedly....no...these machines can't diagnose anything. They are for treating....not diagnosing.

Now we have another pissing contest and arguing. Went OT in a bad way again...same old shit.

This thread is now locked. It has no further educational value.

No more pyscho babble crap. Personal attacks and harassment....not allowed.

You guys who want to engage a troll who just wants attention....it's not helping the forum at all.
Use the Foe button and let this guy talk to himself and/or ask himself questions that no one will answer.
As long as you feed a troll they won't ever leave.