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There would be no hoarding if everyone kept a larder, like the Mormons.
Built up over time, each family's safety net would not put a strain on the supply chain.
They consider self-sufficiency a Biblical responsibility.
The problem is ninnies who live JIT, "just in time",
where a company can survive if stalled for months by a single supply glitch;
but workers and families are completely messed up.
Hoarding is stockpiling for reasons other than reasonable use.
Reasons like resale or mental disorders.

Stockpiling doesn't work if the product degrades over time, do to the way distilled water is packaged and sold can cause it to go bad. It has no chemicals in it to insure safe storage. Jim

Goofproof wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 09, 2020 9:53 am

Stockpiling doesn't work if the product degrades over time, do to the way distilled water is packaged and sold can cause it to go bad. It has no chemicals in it to insure safe storage. Jim

Au contraire, jim.
I have repeatedly left a partial gallon of DW in my brother's camper, and have never had any problems.
Often "use by" dates are meant to promote frequent sale and replacement.
Like Sodastream bottles . . . Complete nonsense!
Also, LDS regularly use and replace items from their larder--
so it will be fresh and usable when needed.
Like keeping deep cycle batteries fresh--use and charge to prevent deterioration.
Storage is useless without MAINTENANCE--but, of course, that's WORK!

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 09, 2020 9:21 am

There would be no hoarding if everyone kept a larder, like the Mormons.

There would be no hoarding if people weren't STUPID.

They, like jerseyguy are dumb animals, less intelligent than cattle, they "think" there might be a shortage of xxxx, I'd better buy as much as i can, thus creating shortages for everybody else.

like the idiots buying and hoarding toilet paper. This pic was sent to me by a friend in Sweden, I don't know where it was taken. The left half is the wide view, the right half is zoomed in. Insanity, stupidity.



When hurricane Harvey hit Houston in 2017, one of the convenience store chains up here, in Dallas, decided to divert a few gas tankers to help. that caused a couple of their stores here to run low on gasoline. 240 miles away from where the hurricane hit.

The idiots up here *created* "the great Dallas Gas Shortage of August 24th, 2017" by deciding they absolutely HAD to to fill up their tanks, no matter what level they were, there were blocks long lines all over the metroplex, there were images of suicidal idiots filing up garbage cans in the back of their pickup trucks. a couple days later, the whole thing evaporated, because there never was a shortage, it was all manufactured by stupid people.

I wasn't even inconvenienced, because I'm not *stupid*.

The toilet paper, (and distilled water) problems are caused by idiots doing what idiots do, buying more than they need.

Hoarders, like jerseyguy are idiots, and THEY are the CAUSE of the problem.

Note, to those playing the palerider drinking game, i *DID* call someone an idiot in this post.

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:54 am

Goofproof wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 09, 2020 9:53 am

Stockpiling doesn't work if the product degrades over time, do to the way distilled water is packaged and sold can cause it to go bad. It has no chemicals in it to insure safe storage. Jim

Au contraire, jim.
I have repeatedly left a partial gallon of DW in my brother's camper, and have never had any problems.

While I am loathe to agree with anything Jim says, since it's typically nonsense, I have a similar experience.

Twice now, I've had jugs of distilled (maybe one was drinking water) go bad on me... though not the actual water, but the thin plastic jug itself, one of them ruined the surface of a table. they both developed cracks in the plastic, and leaked. that'll teach me to keep a spare jug of water on the unused other end of the dining table!

I quit using the single use plastic jugs--because they are cr@p.
Instead, I wash and refill Arizona tea jugs from our distiller.
And I observe first in/first out stocking. (FIFO)
My storage area is in a darkish place--because most plastic is UV degradable.
Chemistry is useful after all.

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:54 am

Goofproof wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 09, 2020 9:53 am

Stockpiling doesn't work if the product degrades over time, do to the way distilled water is packaged and sold can cause it to go bad. It has no chemicals in it to insure safe storage. Jim

Au contraire, jim.
I have repeatedly left a partial gallon of DW in my brother's camper, and have never had any problems.
Often "use by" dates are meant to promote frequent sale and replacement.
Like Sodastream bottles . . . Complete nonsense!
Also, LDS regularly use and replace items from their larder--
so it will be fresh and usable when needed.
Like keeping deep cycle batteries fresh--use and charge to prevent deterioration.
Storage is useless without MAINTENANCE--but, of course, that's WORK!

I had two gallons turn into Skunk Water they were only 2 months old, it all depends on the supply and how its been treated. No longer have to mess with it, stopped using the HH three years ago, now I just keep a container of Ice Water by the bed. Cold Ice Water is my answer to moisture. I have never used water in the O2 either.

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:25 am

Chemistry is useful after all.

at the risk of going *wildly*offtopic, (this thread should be dead anyway) yes, chemistry is very useful.

Point of fact, I had a stainless steel insulated tumbler, and I'd made the mistake of scrubbing it out with one of those green scrubbies... (note: don't do that). and water that sat in it for a while didn't taste so good, had a bit of an iron like/rusty hint of flavor to it... which, of course is good for my iron levels, but bad for taste.

I finally had the idea to try passivating it, something I learned about on a metalworking channel. and I thought "hm, maybe I can do something about my mug.. so since I didn't have any nitric acid handy, I thoroughly scrubbed out the inside of the mug with oxalic acid (BarKeepers Friend) rinsed it well (didn't use dio water, probably should have) and then I poured in some citric acid I'd mixed up (from sour salt) and let that sit for a while, sloshing occasionally. then a good rinse, and the tumbler is much better, no more metallic taste when water sits overnight.

Basically, 'stainless' steel is stainless because of a layer of chromium oxide that forms on the surface... but when it's damanged, or overheated (like welding) that layer gets removed, and stainless can (and will) rust.

passivating it restores the oxide layer

Kitchen chemistry experiment, successful!

palerider wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:12 pm

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:25 am

Chemistry is useful after all.

at the risk of going *wildly*offtopic, (this thread should be dead anyway) yes, chemistry is very useful.

Point of fact, I had a stainless steel insulated tumbler, and I'd made the mistake of scrubbing it out with one of those green scrubbies... (note: don't do that). and water that sat in it for a while didn't taste so good, had a bit of an iron like/rusty hint of flavor to it... which, of course is good for my iron levels, but bad for taste.

I finally had the idea to try passivating it, something I learned about on a metalworking channel. and I thought "hm, maybe I can do something about my mug.. so since I didn't have any nitric acid handy, I thoroughly scrubbed out the inside of the mug with oxalic acid (BarKeepers Friend) rinsed it well (didn't use dio water, probably should have) and then I poured in some citric acid I'd mixed up (from sour salt) and let that sit for a while, sloshing occasionally. then a good rinse, and the tumbler is much better, no more metallic taste when water sits overnight.

Basically, 'stainless' steel is stainless because of a layer of chromium oxide that forms on the surface... but when it's damanged, or overheated (like welding) that layer gets removed, and stainless can (and will) rust.

passivating it restores the oxide layer

Kitchen chemistry experiment, successful!

I once made a volcano out of paper mâché, vinegar and baking soda. I learned how from Mr. Wizard (Don Herbert).