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DreamDiver wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:28 pm

palerider wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:54 am

Simple, you're posting *wrong* and misleading information, and the needs to be corrected.

If you're "trying to learn", then by all means, do so, but stop talking about things you don't understand.

You mentioned the for list, feel free to use it.

Negative reinforcement is a poor educational device.
People respond better to positive reinforcement.
They learn better and they react better.

Continuing to use negative reinforcement in light of the knowledge that positive reinforcement is a better educational tool is not a logical behavior.

Not sure where you got the impression that I'm here to teach you stuff, I'm here to correct the things you're getting wrong, so that other people aren't mislead.

DreamDiver wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:28 pm

You make people feel bad about themselves. It's obvious you don't care. Are you here to help people or do you simply enjoy making people feel bad?

If something I've done makes you feel bad about yourself, that's entirely on you. I'm astonished that you've chosen to give me that kind of power. And yet you keep coming back for more.

What's that say about you?

milboltnut wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:43 pm

Since this is my thread, I guess I can go off topic.

Should you choose to take it in a completely different direction, have at it, but I'd suggest going back to the first post in the thread, and changing the subject there... then all further posts (and the entry on the forum index) will have your new subject.

milboltnut wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:43 pm

Would you say, Palerider, that blood chemistry transferring brain impulses to the lungs, is likened unto electrolytes transferring voltage, from one plate to another.. positive to negative, in a car battery?

Well, hmm, probably not.. there are chemo receptors in that monitor a variety of things, and cause the body to make adjustment, not the other way around. so it's not the blood chemistry that's transferring data to the diaphram, that's nerves, but what controls those impulses is blood chemistry.

You have *some* conscious control over your breathing when awake, but even then, your body will take over, ie, the holding your breath, or the way you breathe harder when you're exerting yourself. Another interesting (to me, anyway) point is that your awake breathing and asleep breathing are controlled by different systems in the body, and you can often see apneas happening when transitioning from sleep to wakefulness, or wake to sleep, and those are called "Transition apneas" or, what is typically referred to as "SWJ (Sleep/Wake Junk) on the forum here.

If you want to learn more about central apneas, and a bit of what drives respiration, I'd suggest starting here:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4454847/

DreamDiver wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:28 pm

by DreamDiver

I read your last post. Tsk, Tsk, Tsk

JPB

jimbud wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 28, 2020 2:54 pm

DreamDiver wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:28 pm

by DreamDiver

I read your last post. Tsk, Tsk, Tsk

JPB

Yeah, it wasn't helping, so I removed it.

thank so far fellas !

FAQ's.....

Does pressure cause centrals....

A few centrals here and there during the night is entirely normal.

what about alot?

Sleep onset centrals or sleep stage transitions are normal.

please explain

Not to mention just the chance of a false positive with an awake breathing pause getting a flag by mistake.

not following


Also interpretation cpaptalk wiki isn't really clear enough for me, sorry

milboltnut wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:47 pm

FAQ's.....

Does pressure cause centrals....

A few centrals here and there during the night is entirely normal.

what about alot?

What is "alot". How many, how often, what time of night?

milboltnut wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:47 pm

Sleep onset centrals or sleep stage transitions are normal.

please explain

Which part of "normal" are you having trouble understanding? this was mentioned to you, directly, recently.

milboltnut wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:47 pm

Not to mention just the chance of a false positive with an awake breathing pause getting a flag by mistake.

not following

Not following you.

If you have a lot of centrals, often in bunches, throughout the night, then that's significant. If you have a few (or even a bit more) just as you're drifting off or prior to awakening, those are not significant (in themselves unless you also have lots throughout night).

Thank you Julie for a most simplified and cordial response....

Thanks Pugsy !

What about interpreting the graphs.... number scales, abbreviations etc.... ?

the flow rate on OSCAR....





the read out, is there another way to look at it? I've seen it with a different curve read outs.. black graph not so clumped together.


http://www.apneaboard.com/wiki/index.php/OSCAR_snoring

the first pic, shows different readouts.....

Snoring would be in red...

I know that......

that's not what I'm inquiring about

milboltnut wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:00 am

the flow rate on OSCAR.... the read out, is there another way to look at it? I've seen it with a different curve read outs.. not so clumped together.

You can zoom in on a particular area of interest in the flow rate graph. For example, if you're interested in a particular apnea, you can drag click just the area around the apnea, left-to-right or right-to-left. Release, and you see just the area you zoomed in on. The event flags area will be grayed-out / darkened for everything except the graph section you're zoomed in on. Play around with right-clicking and left clicking in the graph. Hold the right click to pan the existing graph magnification right or left.

You can't break anything by zooming around in a graph, so if you want to explore, it could be interesting. When you're done zooming around and you want the full view again, just go to the left-hand area of the graph where the name of the chart is, right click and pull down to "100% zoom level". Alternatively, if you get lost, just close OSCAR and start it up again.

Chris

If only all (or even most) of your posts could be as accurate, and factual as that one, Chris. It gives me hope, please don't dash it.

You can also zoom in and out with the up and down arrows, and move with the left/right ones.