Page 4 of 6

Re: Covid-19 - Extra Protection from CPAP?

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:46 am
by palerider
jnk... wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:51 am
SleepyPaolo wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:10 am
Covid-19 is nothing to panic about
True. But which diseases ARE something to panic about, then?
I'd say "ebola" and "measles" are a couple good ones.

Measles because of criminally stupid people that are bringing back diseases that had effectively been wiped out, because they're too stupid to get vaccinated,
jnk... wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:51 am
good decision-making by the public.
Now *THAT* is funny. Let's bring up "good decision making" with the woman that was buying 7,500 facial tissues yesterday at Costco, or the ones that think a couple cases of bottled will save them from the coming apocalypse.
jnk... wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:51 am
palerider wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:22 am
Also, COVID-19 is the *disease*, SARS-COV-2 is the virus.
Does someone who is asymptomatic but tests positive for the virus "have COVID-19"? If he has the ability to infect someone else, which apparently he does, it is best for the public to file him under 'has the disease,' even if technically he does not.
Ever hear of HIV and AIDS?
HIV is the virus.
AIDS is what it causes if left untreated.

It is a worthwhile distinction. someone covered in lesions of Kaposi's sarcoma is rather different than someone who's completely normal appearing, but is HIV+, but the latter can possibly progress to the former.

Early reports are that, *most* of the people who contract SARS-COV-2 don't progress to having COVID-19.

Re: Covid-19 - Extra Protection from CPAP?

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:18 am
by chunkyfrog
palerider wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:46 am
. . .
Early reports are that, *most* of the people who contract SARS-COV-2 don't progress to having COVID-19.
Like most people who get a cold or an allergy do not progress to pneumonia.
I heard a doctor predict that it will become a part of our normal environment.
We will adjust, and hopefully survive--at least, most will.

Re: Covid-19 - Extra Protection from CPAP?

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:19 am
by jnk...
palerider wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:46 am
Early reports are that, *most* of the people who contract SARS-COV-2 don't progress to having COVID-19.
Exactly. But in this case, casual contact can kill--contact from someone with the virus whose reaction to that virus may not have the symptoms that categorize them arbitrarily as having the disease. And the public is interested in slowing the spread, or at least it should be. And the reason the public should be interested in slowing the spread of the virus (not just the active reaction to the virus) is that casual contact can kill.

So, yes, there is a name for the pathogen. Yes, there is an arbitrary definition for how a significant reaction to the pathogen is termed. But that is irrelevant to how the public should respond, in this instance, in my opinion. Trying to differentiate between "catching a cold" and what the particular name of the virus is that caused the cold doesn't affect how the public should respond to viruses. Forcing everyone to refer to a particular season's flu by using the proper name for which strain it is that year is pretty silly to me. You have a cold. You catch a cold. You have a virus. You catch a virus. You pass on a virus. He is home from work with a virus. The reaction isn't the point.

As far as I'm concerned, someone "has COVID-19" if they have the ability to pass on the virus SARS-CoV-2, in the same way that someone "has the flu" or "has a cold" if they are able to pass a virus on to others. It is the spread of the pathogen that is the point, not the name of the occasional/possible reaction to it, when it comes to public behavior. "Don't worry about him; he technically doesn't have the disease called blah-blah-blah" doesn't impart accurate information in practice.

Pathogens are often referred to in public discourse by the diseases they cause, and the diseases caused are often referred to by the name of the pathogen, out where the rubber meets the road in the public. And in this case, it is actually helpful. Otherwise, the public says, "Oh, it's OK to have unprotected sex with him, he's only HIV-positive, not actual AIDS." That is a behavior discussion, not a medical terminology discussion.

Be a stickler if you want. I respect it. It can be educational. But I let the public discuss it with whatever terminology becomes common, technical or not, when it helps to keep the behavior-conversation clear.

Hey, just me.

But my earlier point, in the words of an expert:
We still need to learn exactly how the virus spreads from person to person and how likely people are to get sick when they’re exposed, Maragakis says. We also need more data to understand the mortality rate, File says. “How many people are exposed who don’t show symptoms or who have mild symptoms? That’s hard to figure out during cold and flu season,” says Amanda McClelland, R.N., M.P.H., senior vice president of Prevent Epidemics at Resolve to Save Lives, an initiative of Vital Strategies. “That’s the key piece that’s missing.”--https://www.consumerreports.org/coronav ... -covid-19/
You can apparently be exposed to the virus but not become infected by it.
Or you can apparently be exposed to the virus and become infected by it without showing significant symptoms in reaction to the infection.
You can apparently pass the virus on to others when not showing significant symptoms in reaction to the infection.
What names you give to any of that may matter a lot to you, or may not matter at all to you, but the facts appear to be the same, either way, at this point, and are worthy of consideration when making personal decisions.

Then again, maybe my brain just processes such things a little differently from the accepted way of most. I never claimed to be normal.

Re: Covid-19 - Extra Protection from CPAP?

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:09 am
by chunkyfrog
Apparently, the solution is not a vaccine, but immunity boosters, preferably permanent ones.
Of course, profits will drop--cold remedies, tissues, vaccine.
What do we really want?--health or money?
I guess we already know . . .

Re: Covid-19 - Extra Protection from CPAP?

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:13 am
by babydinosnoreless
Now *THAT* is funny. Let's bring up "good decision making" with the woman that was buying 7,500 facial tissues yesterday at Costco, or the ones that think a couple cases of bottled will save them from the coming apocalypse.
Are you spying on me PR ? :wink:

Re: Covid-19 - Extra Protection from CPAP?

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:37 am
by ChicagoGranny
chunkyfrog wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:09 am
Apparently, the solution is not a vaccine, but immunity boosters, preferably permanent ones.
The only immunity boosters that work for anything are vaccines. Otherwise, you want a healthy immunity system, not a boosted one.
The concept that one can “boost” immunity is a popular one. Although the only evidence-based approach to this is vaccination, the lay public is exposed to a wide range of information on how to boost immunity.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6673706/

Re: Covid-19 - Extra Protection from CPAP?

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:12 pm
by DreamStalker
it's a bioweapon, so act accordingly
initially attacks ACE2 receptors
it's biphasic, hides in central nervous system
creates cytokine storm if you survive first attack
has likely now muted into s-cov & l-cov variants
must optimize cells with anti-viral nutraceuticals
must optimize cells to mitigate severe oxidative stress/hypoxia (only liposomal is sufficiently bioavailable)
listening to the "handful" of trolls in charge of this forum will kill you
good luck

Re: Covid-19 - Extra Protection from CPAP?

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:52 pm
by jnk...
Personally, I'm just trying to do everything I can to cooperate with what General Ripper said about protecting my precious bodily fluids.

Re: Covid-19 - Extra Protection from CPAP?

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:38 pm
by palerider
babydinosnoreless wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:13 am
Now *THAT* is funny. Let's bring up "good decision making" with the woman that was buying 7,500 facial tissues yesterday at Costco, or the ones that think a couple cases of bottled will save them from the coming apocalypse.
Are you spying on me PR ? :wink:
Absolutely not! :wink:

Re: Covid-19 - Extra Protection from CPAP?

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:13 pm
by DreamStalker
jnk... wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:52 pm
Personally, I'm just trying to do everything I can to cooperate with what General Ripper said about protecting my precious bodily fluids.
not your precious body fluids that need protection
it's your brain stem that must be protected at all costs
fight the virus off before it gets to brain stem
vaccine very not likely, avoiding infection near impossible
(unless you have doomsday bunker to hang for 3-5 yrs)
a possible reprieve? in summer (use it wisely)
those who survive face health system collapse
those who survive face economic collapse
then prepare for the next wave in fall
i'm not religious, but if you are, pray

Re: Covid-19 - Extra Protection from CPAP?

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:47 pm
by jnk...
Thank you for that link, DS.

Re: Covid-19 - Extra Protection from CPAP?

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:24 pm
by jimbud
After reading that.
It appears to be some nasty shit

I am going to get and stay informed from here on out.
Calmly.
Reasonably.

JPB

Re: Covid-19 - Extra Protection from CPAP?

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:40 pm
by jnk...
jimbud wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:24 pm
Calmly.
Reasonably
Eh. Where's the fun in that? :P

Re: Covid-19 - Extra Protection from CPAP?

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:58 pm
by jimbud
After more thought, I think I will run in an ever widening circle jabbering wildly until I collapse in a quivering mass.

That should do it. :D

JPB

Re: Covid-19 - Extra Protection from CPAP?

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:12 pm
by jnk...
jimbud wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:58 pm
After more thought, I think I will run in an ever widening circle jabbering wildly until I collapse in a quivering mass.

That should do it. :D

JPB
NOW we're talkin'!

Welcome to the institutional-performance-artists' guild for the rubber-room white coat set. Allow me to demonstrate the straitjacketed fist bump we use here at The Cuckoo's Nest, for sanitary reasons.