Resmed says SoClean is bad

Wulfman... wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:00 pm

Miss_Miss wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:46 pm

I'm fairly new to all this - and purchased an ozone cleaner. But I use it to clean the tubing because that darn tubing is too hard to try to "wash" in soapy water.

So ozone is NOT good for tubing, either????

(Between you and me, I hate the odor that it leaves too)

Why would you feel the need to clean the tubing?

Because the people that want to sell her more stuff told her to.

jnk... wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:20 pm

Pugsy wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:58 pm

. . . I have heard some people say the brush is too large for some of those slimline hoses which is what most of the heated hoses are.

You can specify size for thin hoses: https://www.amazon.com/Care-Touch-CPAP- ... 00-3241600

Wulfman... wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:00 pm

Why would you feel the need to clean the tubing?
There's filtered air coming into the machine, passing over (presumably) distilled water before it gets to the hose.
What could possibly be in there that requires "cleaning"?

I don't use distilled water. Occasionally water stands in the hose (I don't use a heated hose) for hours when I've overdone it with humidification.

The water that collects in the hose is, in effect, distilled water, that's how it's made, evaporated water then condense it.

Miss_Miss wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:49 pm

I didn't want him to get something extra because I wasn't keeping his equipment clean enough.

This is a common fear that people have...that the machine has some sort of germs on it that is going to make them sick but that is really highly unlikely unless there is some sort of special circumstances going on where maybe the person has a severely compromised immune system.
The germs or bacteria or viruses that might land on a person's equipment and make them sick...think about it for a minute...where do those germs, bacteria or viruses come from in the first place. Unless you got some sick kids messing around with the cpap equipment putting their bugs on your stuff....all those bugs come from you in the first place. You already have been exposed to them anyway and that's how they get on people's cpap stuff. It's nothing new.
And if it were sick kids messing with the stuff....I guarantee you that you've already been exposed to those bugs also.

Then there's the "mold scare"....people just need to use some common sense in that regard. Inspect your equipment every and then for something unusual looking. The same mold spores that might take up residence in your cpap stuff got there from somewhere in your house. It's already floating around anyway. Of course we don't want it to grow but unless you have a severe mold issue in your home...most common sense measures will keep it from growing. Let stuff air dry after washing. Don't enclose things in a sealed container unless you have given it a thorough chance to dry out. Mainly good common sense cleaning and care is all that is needed.

Miss_Miss wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:49 pm

Well, shucks darn. If this don't beat all. We have appt. Feb. 25 for new supplies. I was thinking of not getting new tubing (don't know if refusing will actually save us any dollars) because I feel overwhelmed by all these "extras" that seemed just fine to me.

I was just concerned with him feeling so bad already that I didn't want him to get something extra because I wasn't keeping his equipment clean enough.

The only time you *need* new supplies is when something no longer functions properly. Have a spare (or two) of everything on hand.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=177993&p=1335603&hi ... s#p1335603

as to 'catching' something from the cpap... not going to happen, according to .... science.

infection fear is BS:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5611769/
stuff in reservoir not transferred
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3716664/
sterile unnecessary:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16236866
soclean: viewtopic/t157842/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1 ... 9#p1210375
https://www.verywellhealth.com/do-you-n ... in-4171650
viewtopic/t175986/NoClean-sued-for-fals ... ising.html
https://www.resmed.com/us/dam/documents ... letter.pdf

Wash things routinely (I usually do it weekly) to keep them clean, wipe the cushion nightly to remove facial oils.

I warned a friend about the use of soclean and to try and return it. This is the response that she received. My opinion their warranty is trash and they will go bankrupt before long

SoClean is aware of ResMed’s recent notification regarding use of ozone to clean its AirSense 10 device. SoClean has been discussing the potential impact of ozone cleaners with ResMed for some time, and we understand why this action was taken. As the market leader in sleep equipment maintenance products, patient health is our number one priority. Since 2012, SoClean has been providing patients with a product that helps keep their equipment fresh, so they can have peace of mind and remain in compliance with their individual therapy. SoClean is used by nearly two million consumers with a variety of sleep equipment. That is why we stand by our product. In fact, we are so confident in our SoClean product that if a patient uses a SoClean with a ResMed AirSense 10 that was purchased on or after February 1, 2020, in the unlikely event the AirSense 10 shows validated damage consistent with the use of ozone from our product, SoClean will cover the cost to repair the AirSense 10 during the initial two year warranty period of the AirSense 10, and for an additional year for a total of three years of coverage. Visit soclean.com/warranty beginning February 1st for details on how to register.

Please direct any questions regarding this matter to SoClean customer service.

Thank you,
Jamie

Scare tactics.
Failure to notice that the only claims of "cpap germs" comes from SoClean will result
in the belief that there actually IS such a thing.
"Cpap germs" are NOT a "thing".
Fear of imaginary crap causes anxiety--which makes fools reach for their wallets.
I'm COVERING mine. Because I understand SCIENCE.

So SoClean is admitting it damages ReMed machines.

RLMMG wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:26 pm

I warned a friend about the use of soclean and to try and return it. This is the response that she received.

Since 2012, SoClean has been providing patients with a product that helps keep their equipment fresh.

Please direct any questions regarding this matter to SoClean customer service.

Thank you,
Jamie

Keep Your Equipment Fresh with Funkaway
Is your equipment a little funky. Funkaway will help keep it all smelling brand new every day.
That is where the Funkaway sprays come into play. A few sprays in there and after it dries will smell better than ever.
There is so many things that Funkaway can do to help keep your home and life as fresh as possible. It can help in your car, with pets, and all of your equipment.

So who needs SoClean when you can have Funkaway!

JPB

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:34 pm

Scare tactics.
Failure to notice that the only claims of "cpap germs" comes from SoClean will result
in the belief that there actually IS such a thing.
"Cpap germs" are NOT a "thing".
Fear of imaginary crap causes anxiety--which makes fools reach for their wallets.
I'm COVERING mine. Because I understand SCIENCE.

So, what IS going to happen is that someone will have dissolving foam being blown into their lungs (it's happened here, and I just saw a post from another SoCrap user on Reddit who had the dissolving foam being sucked into the blower), they'll send it to Resmed, who'll say NOPE! and send it back, then the user will send it to SoCrap, who'll say "Well, we don't see validated damage consistent with the use of ozone" and then the finger pointing will ensue, and who's left screwed?

The gullible sap that forked over the money for the SoCrap.

RLMMG wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:26 pm

SoClean is used by nearly two million consumers with a variety of sleep equipment.

Two million? Suckas have made the NoClean investors wealthy. If the investors were smart with their money, the company can go bankrupt, and the investors will still be wealthy.

Alcohol kills microbes and deodorizes much cheaper than an ozone money pit.
Vodka works quite nicely.
Whichever way it is applied--on a clean cloth or in a clean glass.
It can kill what you fear or kill the fear itself.

palerider wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:06 pm

jnk... wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:54 pm

https://www.amazon.com/Care-Touch-CPAP- ... 00-3241600

Which will wear out hoses faster.

I'd sure hate to wear out that hose I've been using for the last 5 years, so maybe I'd better stop running that brush through it so often.

New hoses are stiffer than the one I have been using.
I like using the old one--my new hose is still in its bag.
There are places where a stiff hose is a good thing; but a cpap is not it.

jnk... wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:50 pm

palerider wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:06 pm

jnk... wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:54 pm

https://www.amazon.com/Care-Touch-CPAP- ... 00-3241600

Which will wear out hoses faster.

I'd sure hate to wear out that hose I've been using for the last 5 years, so maybe I'd better stop running that brush through it so often.

You mock, but I've actually been using my current hose for 5 years or so, I'm wondering how long it'll last now

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:29 am

New hoses are stiffer than the one I have been using.
I like using the old one--my new hose is still in its bag.
There are places where a stiff hose is a good thing; but a cpap is not it.

About a minute to a minute and a half in the dryer will soften those new hoses up... depending on how fast your dryer heats up. about 90 seconds does it in mine.

Here's a before, and an after of an identical hose:


Or, maybe it's just happy to see you.