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Well, you're certainly not the only person who's posted here after drinking... I'm hoping you'll turn out to be better than the last.
Some people have dead flat leak lines, and still need humidification (or they're using a FFM).... though mouth leaking certainly will exacerbate dryness... nasal and oral.
I'd say he'll be done about the time you post something useful.
I am a mouth breather, so I need the humidification to mostly avoid dry mouth. If the water runs out, I get a really dry mouth. That also happens if my asthma is acting up and I have to breathe through my mouth a lot during the day.palerider wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:26 pmWell, you're certainly not the only person who's posted here after drinking... I'm hoping you'll turn out to be better than the last.Some people have dead flat leak lines, and still need humidification (or they're using a FFM).... though mouth leaking certainly will exacerbate dryness... nasal and oral.
You can use, OR not use, the humidifier AND any other thing you want. Hell, you can shove the hose up your rosy red rectum if you like.Guinges wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:07 pmI hope I am reasonably educated in bacteriology, physics, medicine, respirology etc
Why would you pass the air you breath through a heated moist tube that could enable bacteria to grow?
The CPAP machine doesn't dry out the air that you breath. It is just passing through a fan of sorts that is increasing your pressure.
You are breathing room air in the normal amounts and at the normal rate.
I put aside the humidifier, half of that bulky machine, and changed the stinky bacteria infested tube and I am now enjoying cool fresh air "morning air", and of course my nose doesn't dry out like a prune. The machine is not drying out the air I breathe, it is simply delivering normal room air at a slightly higher pressure....and I love it!
I soo agree with this! I have been reading the entire thread and the OP has apologized and tried to make amends in spite of having enduring a lot of blowback. So, IMHO it's time to move on. That's how you have a civilized conversation. Also, I have to add that I have done a ton of reading on this forum and have learned so much! I think Pugsy does a great job moderating and also gives some very good and balanced advice. The people that come on here have serious medical issues and need serious answers because a lot of the time they are not getting it from their doctors. I appreciate having a place to come and get answers from people who really want to help and have the knowledge and experience to do so.Pugsy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2019 2:04 pmThat's assuming facts not in evidence.ChicagoGranny wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2019 1:53 pmIs an apology still due for lying about education and being a MD?
Personal opinion and YMMV stuff.
Hey....I look at it this way...he got started off on a bad note and instead of getting uppity about it and doing more stone throwing back he apologized and took his lumps like a man. I don't fault anyone for that and in my mind it speaks volumes as to his character.
Unlike another recent newbie whose character is scrapping the bottom of the barrel IMHO.
So it really doesn't matter to me one way or the other if he does or doesn't have some fancy letters after his name.
Letters don't make the man/woman. Actions do though.
I am more than willing to let by gones be by gones and move on and pretend the ugly didn't happen. It's so much easier on my digestion anyway. I prefer to look for the good in people and not the bad.....though I will admit that some people really make me have to go dig out a really big microscope. Not the OP here though. I am prepared to move on and proceed as normal and not let my bitchy self show.... too much anyway.
Well, that's because you have far more patience and grace than most and is among the many darned good reasons why you hold the mod-hammer.Pugsy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2019 2:04 pmThat's assuming facts not in evidence.ChicagoGranny wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2019 1:53 pmIs an apology still due for lying about education and being a MD?
Personal opinion and YMMV stuff.
Hey....I look at it this way...he got started off on a bad note and instead of getting uppity about it and doing more stone throwing back he apologized and took his lumps like a man. I don't fault anyone for that and in my mind it speaks volumes as to his character.
Unlike another recent newbie whose character is scrapping the bottom of the barrel IMHO.
So it really doesn't matter to me one way or the other if he does or doesn't have some fancy letters after his name.
Letters don't make the man/woman. Actions do though.
I am more than willing to let by gones be by gones and move on and pretend the ugly didn't happen. It's so much easier on my digestion anyway. I prefer to look for the good in people and not the bad.....though I will admit that some people really make me have to go dig out a really big microscope. Not the OP here though. I am prepared to move on and proceed as normal and not let my bitchy self show.... too much anyway.
Thanks. I have to have it with this job or else I would go crazier than I already am.
I will swing it if I have to but I would rather use sugar coating...it's not nearly as much work.Ever heard of "pub med"? Ever tried using it?Guinges wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:12 am1) I started the thread mostly because I couldn’t understand why humidification should be necessary based on a modest scientific understanding of human anatomy, physiology, physics etc. My argument was that CPAP doesn’t dry out the air we breathe or increase the amount of air we breathe and so it shouldn’t be necessary.
2) I took that argument a step further and suggested (for the sake of argument) that we were all being duped, and that humidification shouldn’t in theory (my theory) be necessary.
3) Thirdly, I was experiencing an unpleasant smell in my tube that I couldn’t eradicate. I stopped using humidification and changed the tube and am now enjoying cool fresh air that is like “breathing morning air”. With my modest knowledge of bacteriology and mycology I couldn’t understand why I had been following convention and breathing air that passed over a heated tank of water and through a heated moist tube and was suffering the (in my case) smelly, stuffy consequences.
From the information in this thread and from thinking further and doing some more research I have come up with the following theories and observations:
I) It is clear from this thread that a lot of people do need humidification to prevent dry nose and mouth and other symptoms and are not being duped. I would add, however, that some people may be using it when they don’t need it. A few people on the thread reported that they didn’t use humidification.
II) My theory is that with a nasal mask, mouth leaks are common. A mouth leak will increase the flow of air through the nose and mouth leading to dryness of both. The people who find they need humidification with a nasal mask may be experiencing a degree of mouth leakage. A person using a full-face mask who is often mouth breathing will get a dry mouth just like someone who mouth breathes without using CPAP does. The mouth isn’t really designed for breathing like the nose is. Someone commented that some people require humidification and yet have flat leak rates. It may be that these people, have other nasal conditions such as chronic rhinitis (very common), Sjogren's syndrome (much less common) and that nasal humidification is helping them significantly. These people would benefit regardless of whether they had sleep apnoea or not.
III) Regarding bacteria, fungi and resulting smells. I have learnt from this thread that many people manage their humidification system well and have not encountered issues.
Thank you.