Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:43 pm
Somebody already did. It's called Liquid Smoke.....WIJim wrote:OK, I’m not big on aromas. Well, maybe the smell of a steak on the grill. (Bottle that!)
Somebody already did. It's called Liquid Smoke.....WIJim wrote:OK, I’m not big on aromas. Well, maybe the smell of a steak on the grill. (Bottle that!)
SleepGuy wrote:Unfortunately, the new oils (vanilla and tangerine-lime) have been delayed until next week. But they're coming, I promise.
That won't be rainout coming from your mask, but drool!WIJim wrote:I caved in and ordered the starter set yesterday. I'll let everyone know how I like it when I receive it. Maybe I'll try a drop or two of liquid smoke.
I never said that.I don't understand why you assert that people are exposed to more air on xPAP than without it.
Number of breaths? Total volume of air in a given night? I never said anything about these things, either.To be sure, the air is pressurized but the total number of breaths a person takes in a night, and the total volume of air that enters and exits the lungs during any given night, would be the same with or without xPAP (apnea events aside).
Except for the stuff you're inhaling for a third of your life and that ends up in your lungs, which is what I'm concerned about.Virtually all of the aromatic goes out of the machine with the other jetwash.
I believe it's quite different. A drop of lavender on your pillow is not a mandatory, unavoidable, continuous source of vapors piped directly into your lungs the entire night. You can roll over on your other side, further from it, for example. You can turn the pillow over (I do that a lot in my sleep). It's not in a closed circuit aimed unavoidably and directly at your lungs, with no way to get clean air the entire night.Using these products is not a whole lot different than placing a drop of lavender oil on your pillow at night without an xPAP.
Eating is not what's being proposed here, so the FDA's GRAS blessing doesn't directly apply to what we're discussing.As for the safety of the aromatics at issue, I defer to the Food and Drug Administration. All of the oils used in these products are found on the list of essential oils the FDA considers are "generally recognized as safe" for human consumption. You can eat these oils.
Yes, but the sticking point is, for what span of time? This is a third of your life, and in a closed circuit to your lungs. These oils are highly aromatic, meaning there's lots of chemicals in there getting thrown into the passing air that's aimed directly into your lungs, nonstop, for the equivalent of an entire eight-hour work shift, daily. Again, it's a third of your life! Most aromatherapy inhaling routines are a tiny fraction of this length of time, and aren't in a closed respiration circuit.You can breathe them.
I suspect there's not any research yet on the long-term effects of inhaling essential oil vapors in a closed respiration circuit for 2,920 hours per year. This is my concern. It may be harmless. But, it's very possible that it may not be. Nobody knows, at the moment.By training and vocation I am an environmental attorney and am well aware of the dangers and problems associated with human exposures to lead, radon, radium, asbestos (my step sister died of lung cancer at 29), radiation, benzene, toluene, arsenic, etc. I find it confusing that you would lump lavender essential oil in with such substances that are known to have negative health effects in humans.
I just may. However, I doubt they'd be interested in a niche application that's presently this small, and even if they became super-interested and started testing this application tomorrow, the long-term effects won't be known for many years. This is why people should consider the idea carefully for themselves before making a decision.If you believe that essential oils of lavender, orange, lime, clove, basil, marjoram, etc. have the potential to harm people, please address your comments to the FDA.
Because there's probably no research on this new type of usage of essential oils, all I can supply is the collection of reasoning I've stated thus far. Again, perhaps I will contact them. It'd be interesting to hear their opinion of this, regardless.If you supplied some additional information and support for your position perhaps they would reconsider their determination of human safety.
Again, what's being proposed is *very* different from smelling flowers, or being briefly exposed to these vapors during traditional aromatherapy treatments. See above.If the scents from flowers and herbs are dangerous, you might contact the Floral Shop Society of America and let them know they need to stop selling such dangerous flora!
Just a few thoughts:Anonymous wrote: All this having been said, I'm not against the product or the idea. I merely think that there MAY BE potential (not guaranteed!) long-term negative effects that will not be known definitively for years to come. However, if after thinking it over people want to try this, that's their choice. It may well be that the benefits outweigh the risks, perhaps even greatly, and there may be NO risks at all. My point is, nobody knows. People should weigh everything themselves, and decide.
I have read the book "Mindless Eating" which is an awesome book and he talks about supermodle keeping candy bar wrappers because the smell can help satisfy there cravings. lol Not sure if it'd work for all of us.DreamStalker wrote:Intersting comment ... does anyone know if you can satisfy cravings for certain foods simply by over-stimulating your sense of smell for those foods?muld00n wrote:My problem will probably be that when I smell those "good smells", I will think it is time to eat... not sleep.I wonder how much of it is like Pavlov's dog?
Steve
Rooster, if you don't mind me asking, what is the source of the 13% compliance statistic you cite?rooster wrote:What percent of cpap patients are compliant and getting a good therapy? It is certainly less than 50% and one sleep lab's survey showed only 13% of their patients were compliant. I am all for products that will increase the compliance rate.