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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:30 pm
by drbandage
SleepGuy wrote: perhaps dr bandage or others could chime in here
I'll try to piece together a more cohesive answer than this a bit later, but in a nutshell, SleepGuy's explanation just about nails it.

SleepGuy wrote: Several have posted on this thread that they have presented this idea to their doctors, including a lung doctor, and none of them expressed safety concerns with it.
I've spoken to a few myself, including an ENT and a pulmonologist. At any rate, I've yet to meet a medical professional who has expressed any concern at all. I suspect most would share this opinion, but I haven't actually asked most, so who knows. Docs don't agree 100% on anything, as we all are aware, but on some things you certainly can get a consensus. I think this would likely be one of those things, from the things I know about the medical mind, and the reactions that I've seen thus far.

It doesn't "prove" anything of course, but we can say is that the amounts ingested are not on a grand scale, even if used eight hours every day. Yes, that name (oil) is a bit unfortunate, as it may (and has) mislead some who may not appreciate what is happening on the molecular level.

An oil "essentially" can be any of numerous mineral, animal, vegetable, and synthetic substances that are generally slippery, combustible, viscous, liquid at room temperature, soluble in various organic solvents (such as ether), but not in water. Oil and water don't mix, literally. Oil is referred to as hydrophobic, because it separates from water. SG's potion meets some criteria for being called an oil, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. Many substances that the body needs fit that same criteria.

Now, where did I put my Cod Liver oil?


All liquids evaportate. Airborne molecules (including H20) are simply wayward formerly liquid borne molecules that have flown the coop. And, the fact that molecules in a liquid can actually fly the coop is a good thing. (Consider why we have that liquid water sitting in direct contact with the air in the humidifier reservoir.) The way that happens is that (at differing rates, depending on the liquid and the temperature), the molecules in the liquid are always in motion, and some get going so darn fast that they actually launch themselves free of their liquid neighbors and take a quick spin into the gas that is their neighbor, i.e. the atmosphere. Most will never return to their liquid buddies , as they just get carried off into the great wide beyond, floating away as airborne molecules, like Dorothy and Toto leaving Kansas, bound for Oz.

Fast forward to the inhalation stage.

Bottom line is that we are inhaling air all day long with all sorts of nasty airborne molecules in it, as well as chunkier stuff like pollens and pollutants. Most airborne molecules are absorbed by tissue in the nasal cavity, pharynx, and trachea long before they even get to the lungs.

And if they do make it to the lungs, they get absorbed there, or rolled up by cilia and stuck into mucus. That in turn is "moved" out of the lungs and leaves the body as mucus (a.k.a. snot), either through spitting it out or swallowing it and pooping it out. Yuck. Gross.

The nose allows you to make scents of what's going on in the world around you.

Up on the roof of the nasal cavity is the olfactory epithelium. The olfactory epithelium contains special receptors that are sensitive to odor molecules that travel through the air. There are literally millions of these receptors in your nasal passages, and there are literally thousands of different types of odor receptors, each with the ability to sense certain odor molecules. An odor molecule potentially can stimulate several different kinds of receptors. The brain then interprets the unique combination of receptors to recognize any one of about 10,000 different smells. (often less in husbands and boyfriends . . . )

When the smell receptors are stimulated, signals travel along the olfactory nerve to the olfactory bulb in the brain, just above the nasal cavity. Signals then are "scent" from the olfactory bulb to other parts of the brain to be interpreted as a smell you may recognize on a conscious level, and then you decide what you want to do about that odor, e.g. seek the source, flee, or tolerate it. Additionally, the brain may recognize these molecules on a subconsious level, in which case the brain makes up it's own mind (if you know what I mean) about what it wants to do about the stimulation.

It's important to recognize that he lungs are not a closed system (e.g bottle with a cap on it) where the airborne molecules are able to return to their original liquid form. So, no fear that they may somehow "coat" the tissue. Chunky stuff, (e.g. asbestos) though, is far bigger than a molecule, and may get stuck in the lung tissue as we all know. Not good.

The body, however, absorbs airborne molecules all the live long day, and for the most part it processes them and discards them back into the blood which then is filtered by the kidneys, which in turn produces urine, and out they go. Or, they may be snatched out of the blood stream as the blood courses through the liver, our own version of a filter. The liver sends the stuff out, too.

Anyway, SleepGuy's contraption requires that we pour the liquid from the bottle, and then let it reside on the little cotton thingy. Eventually, these molecules do get airborne, and fortunately we can smell them. (SG, please consider chocolate chip cookie essence. Obviously, there is some combo of molecules that fits the bill, as I've had that particular molecular structure grace my olfactory epithelium.) Ultimately, over time, all of the molecules are going to get launched, and as that is happening, the smell eventually fades away. Time to reload. Then shampoo, rinse, repeat.

SleepGuy gets my good housekeeping seal of approval for something that certainly appears to be perfectly safe when used as described, and seems to very helpful for lots of people, if the feedback on this message board is any barometer.

Of course, some would be loathe to inhale anything other than fresh, pure air if given the choice. But then, you gotta live a little on the edge sometimes to really enjoy life. As Dirty Harry pointed out, "you gotta ask yourself, punk: do you feel lucky?"

And as far as potential toxicity, it does not concern me in the least. But, then I'm just the kinda guy that sleeps in a bed, despite the known risk of falling out and onto the floor. Of course, it's only me, and dissenters may surface.

But ignore them.

drB


Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:43 pm
by pedroski
Good explanation Dr B.

I showed the diffuser and oil to my sleep doc, who's involved in a Sleep Apnea Research clinic, and he was quite interested and will be discussing it with his colleagues, but he expressed no concern and said as far as he was concerned he had no problem with me using it.

Peter Image

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:25 pm
by Sherri_Baby
Thanks for popping in, drB.... I really don't understand the vehemence and the adamant opposition I've seen in response to something so relatively simple. Its beyond me...

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:34 pm
by Sleepy-eyes
Good to hear from you DrB. Been missing your comments. They are appreciated, for sure. And I agree 100%. This is a mighty fine system. I think we are lucky to have had Bret start it here so we could all get first shot at it. I know it's helped me immensely already. I think everyone should give it a try. I think you'd be pleased..................as pleased as the rest of us who have tried it.

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:48 pm
by SleepGuy
drbandage wrote:I'll try to piece together a more cohesive answer than this a bit later, but in a nutshell, SleepGuy's explanation just about nails it.

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As far as potential toxicity, it does not concern me in the least. But, then I'm just the kinda guy that sleeps in a bed, despite the risk of falling out and onto the floor. Of course, it's only me, and dissenters may surface.

But ignore them.

drB
drB, true to form, I'd say you're the one who "nailed it." Great to see you on the boards! A great many people sincerely appreciate your unique perspectives and thoughful way of explaining things--like a favorite professor.

From a guy who majored in English and whose current career is largely based on writing abilities--hats off to your ability to explain things well and with style.

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:54 pm
by Rabid1
SleepGuy wrote:
drbandage wrote:I'll try to piece together a more cohesive answer than this a bit later, but in a nutshell, SleepGuy's explanation just about nails it.

**********

As far as potential toxicity, it does not concern me in the least. But, then I'm just the kinda guy that sleeps in a bed, despite the risk of falling out and onto the floor. Of course, it's only me, and dissenters may surface.

But ignore them.

drB
drB, true to form, I'd say you're the one who "nailed it." Great to see you on the boards! A great many people sincerely appreciate your unique perspectives and thoughful way of explaining things--like a favorite professor.

From a guy who majored in English and whose current career is largely based on writing abilities--hats off to your ability to explain things well and with style.
I'll co-sign. Good post DB.

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:21 am
by Guest
I had to laugh.... in fact, my husband thought I was off my rocker reading drB's post.... he just didn't understand how airborne molecules, pulmonary cilia, and mucus could be so hilarious... lol

I haven't posted a whole lot over here....I do most of my posting on the other board, but I have really gotten into a habit of looking for drB's name in the threads....

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:23 am
by Sherri_Baby
Oops....that was me....forgot to log in....

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:25 pm
by drbandage
Sherri_Baby wrote:Thanks for popping in, drB.... I really don't understand the vehemence and the adamant opposition I've seen in response to something so relatively simple. Its beyond me...
I suspect that it is not you to whom it is beyond . . .

Other essential oils to try

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:30 pm
by Scentastics
Hi, I'm new here to the post and this subject naturally caught my eye since this is actually my business. We are a family-run fragrance company in Vermont that carries a multitude of various essential oils at a low reasonable price. Our bottles are double in size than that of the previous mentioned company and a lot less priced. So, if you want to try some different essential oils, you may want to check out my website at http://www.scentastics.com. The essential oils have their own page.
I agree that I think only 1 drop of oil is enough. We do not cut our oils, so one drop should be enough. I too, might be looking into this device once I figure out how to "tweek" my machine and get it to my right adjustment.

I'm not trying to put in a cheap plug for my company, I just wanted to let everyone know, there are other scents you might want to try. I'm really glad I found this forum and hope I can help others like you guys have helped me already.

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:18 pm
by drbandage
From a guy who majored in English and whose current career is largely based on writing abilities--hats off to your ability to explain things well and with style.
I have really gotten into a habit of looking for drB's name in the threads....
Good to hear from you DrB. Been missing your comments. They are appreciated, for sure.
Good explanation Dr B.
Thanks for popping in, drB....

Thank you all for saying such kind things. I am glad it was helpful for you. Now, all that I ask in return is that I be given the latitude to offer a little free publicity to the extraordinary powers of observation of Ambrose Bierce, a man who really understood the human body. It was he who offered such a marvelous definition of the human mind:

MIND, n.
A mysterious form of matter secreted by the brain. Its chief activity consists in the endeavor to ascertain its own nature, the futility of the attempt being due to the fact that it has nothing but itself to know itself with.


I love that.

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:29 pm
by pedroski
That's deep Dr B

Peter Image

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:59 pm
by drbandage
pedroski wrote:That's deep Dr B

Peter Image
You're right. The erudition is approaching recondite given the startling profundity of the magesterial apercu.

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:18 pm
by neversleeps
drbandage wrote:The erudition is approaching recondite given the startling profundity of the magesterial apercu.
DrB, you took the words right out of my dictionary---- I mean, mouth.

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:42 pm
by pedroski
Dr B,

Speaking systematically from a diabolical point of view I'm forced to conclude that your fundamental facilities are insufficiently sophisticated to combasticate with your espoused personal philosophy. Therefore according to my extensive calculations you're bound to come up with some humorous anecdotes and clangers from time to time!!



Peter Image