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Re: Help Interpreting Sleepyhead Results
Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:54 pm
by palerider
KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:41 pm
Cynmatthes wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:43 pm
They set mine at 8-24. My machine goes to 25. Don't know where they pulled 24 from.

ok maybe I do know where they pulled it from but this isn't the bum thread.
You're not suggesting you got bum advice, are you???
*holds nose* that was really a stinker.
Re: Help Interpreting Sleepyhead Results
Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:24 pm
by babydinosnoreless
KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:41 pm
Cynmatthes wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:43 pm
palerider wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:26 pm
KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:21 pm
Well, surprisingly her ahI oftentimes gets down close to 5, sometimes a little less sometimes more... of course, that's pretty good considering she was at about 50 on her overnight sleep test. it just seems odd to me that they didn't narrow down the pressure ranges after a titration study. But then you mentioned that this is the way CPAP often times works. Not so good... We are all LUcky to have found this forum to get things more precise. Thanks Palerider!
Get her in here, we'll get that 5 closer to 1.
So many "sleep professionals" don't understand how auto's work, they think "well, it's automatic, I don't need to do anything"...
4-20 (the machine limits) were the old 'standard', I've been seeing 5-15 or 6-15 a lot lately, but that too is a crappy setting for most people, and dumb, because they think "you need a narrower
range when what is really needed is
a higher minimum. (which, admittedly narrows the range, but people that do that lower the max, instead...
They set mine at 8-24. My machine goes to 25. Don't know where they pulled 24 from.

ok maybe I do know where they pulled it from but this isn't the bum thread.
You're not suggesting you got bum advice, are you???
Re: Help Interpreting Sleepyhead Results
Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:25 pm
by babydinosnoreless
Lady, that was a good one. Made me laugh, and I love to laugh.

Thank you.
Re: Help Interpreting Sleepyhead Results
Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:21 am
by palerider
KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:38 pm
Btw, all my puns are pre-approved by Zonker!!!
That explains
so much.
Re: Help Interpreting Sleepyhead Results
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:29 pm
by palerider
KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:18 pm
palerider wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:21 am
KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:38 pm
Btw, all my puns are pre-approved by Zonker!!!
That explains
so much.
Btw, where is Zonker??? Is he schtum again!!!
WHAT??? It was your day to watch him!
KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:18 pm
Another question: For the last week or so I've had just about zero flow limits most all the time. Is this unusual?
It's not unusual, and in fact, desired.
KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:18 pm
Or are "flow limits" just milder versions of obstructive apnea and it's no bid deal to have none?
Well, not exactly, FL's are a narrowing of the airway that makes it harder to breathe, but whereas apneas and hypopneas are reductions in flow volume, FLs are reductions in flow *rate*... meaning your air flow rate is limited. You can still get a full breath, but it takes longer and requires more work.
KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:18 pm
Also, I know that mask pressure is practically the same as ipap...
Um, no, it isn't. Why do you think that?
Re: Help Interpreting Sleepyhead Results
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:53 pm
by palerider
KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:58 pm
palerider wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:29 pm
KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:18 pm
Also, I know that mask pressure is practically the same as ipap...
Um, no, it isn't. Why do you think that?
hmmmm... I thought you said that that somewhere....??? I think you said something to the effect, if someone provides both a pressure chart and a mask pressure chart, it's redundant because one is the mirror of the other... - - like a "good student"...lol... I looked at my two most recent days and it was exactly that...the mask pressure was just sligltly less than the ipap... Or am I looking at the wrong thing... ???
Yes, but I never said anything about IPAP.
*pressure* is what the machine is supposed to do, single, or dual pressure.
*mask pressure* is the
measured pressure. The bottom of the mask pressure line is the EPAP, and the top is the IPAP, zoom in and see the pressure swings on each breath.
Also, I just noticed I left out a 'not'. flow limitations are 'not exactly' like small hypopneas.
Re: Help Interpreting Sleepyhead Results
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:48 pm
by palerider
KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:21 pm
Would/could there ever be a time where the pressure (IPAP/EPAP) does not mirror the mask pressure??? If so, why or when? Thanks!
excessive leaks.
If your leaks are bad enough, you'll see that the measured pressure isn't able to be maintained.
pressure is easier to read when looking at the whole night, but I like seeing mask pressure when looking at individual breath shapes. It's nice to know what, and when, the machine is doing something.
Re: Help Interpreting Sleepyhead Results
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:01 pm
by Dog Slobber
palerider wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:48 pm
KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:21 pm
Would/could there ever be a time where the pressure (IPAP/EPAP) does not mirror the mask pressure??? If so, why or when? Thanks!
excessive leaks.
If your leaks are bad enough, you'll see that the measured pressure isn't able to be maintained.
pressure is easier to read when looking at the whole night, but I like seeing mask pressure when looking at individual breath shapes. It's nice to know what, and when, the machine is doing something.
I'd also like to add another advantage of
Pressure over
Mask Pressure.
When somebody is riding their
Max Pressure for extended periods, the
Pressure graph flattens and is visibly obvious. The inherent jaggedness and potential for
Mask Pressure to actually be higher than
Max Pressure can hide the limiting factor.
In the attached graph it is obvious the
Pressure is being limited by
Max Pressure, while not apparent with the
Mask Pressure graph.
pressure.jpg
Re: Help Interpreting Sleepyhead Results
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:55 pm
by palerider
KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:24 pm
Is there any particular reason why when I first start to use my Resmed Airsense 10 Autoset when I go to sleep it seems like a tad bit of a chore to exhale through my nose (Airfit p10), but later in the evening and/or morning when I wake up, it feels effortless to exhale through my nose? Btw, I am not using any EPR and my nose is as clear when I wake up as it was when I first go to sleep. - - This doesn't make any sense to me...???
Your brain adjusts to a 'new normal'. same as if you're around some odor for a while, you start to get numb to it.
Re: Help Interpreting Sleepyhead Results
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:59 pm
by palerider
KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:54 pm
palerider wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:55 pm
KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:24 pm
Is there any particular reason why when I first start to use my Resmed Airsense 10 Autoset when I go to sleep it seems like a tad bit of a chore to exhale through my nose (Airfit p10), but later in the evening and/or morning when I wake up, it feels effortless to exhale through my nose? Btw, I am not using any EPR and my nose is as clear when I wake up as it was when I first go to sleep. - - This doesn't make any sense to me...???
Your brain adjusts to a 'new normal'. same as if you're around some odor for a while, you start to get numb to it.
hmmmmm....that simple, huh??? Who would've thought? - - Thanks palerider!!!
Yeah, wait till you have one of the "is this thing still on?" moments.
Re: Help Interpreting Sleepyhead Results
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:08 pm
by palerider
KnightSleeper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:17 pm
So, it's my brain, huh??? - - Dinosnoreless is questioning whether I even have one!!!
Jury's still out...