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esel wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:06 am

never saw a bear with glasses

There seem to be a few online. For example: https://www.opera-online.com/en/items/p ... -2016-2016

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:49 pm

Obesity does have a willpower component;
but at some point, it becomes a different animal.
Cravings and progressive disability makes it a one-way street.
Blaming the "fatty" is so very WRONG.
First, we should blame the businesses/culture
that makes access to healthy food and exercise increasingly unavailable.

If we had to go out and forage the land for food to eat to stay alive, we would have less of a problem with weight. Modern living, with easy access to mass produced food products makes it easy to abuse your body with foods that are less than good for them.

However, back in those days lifespans were 35 to 40 years, despite not having the foods we call bad today, life was harder, physical work was hard on the body too, and many didn't have the nutrition needed for good health. The Secret is, "All things in Moderation"! Jim

jnk... wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:05 pm

near-sighted or far-sighted

Fixed anatomical abnormalities of the skull often cause obstructive sleep apnea, nearsightedness and farsightedness. In the cases of sight, crowding inside the skull causes slight elongation of the eyes.

I apologize to all for previous comments about weight in this thread, everyone has problems. My sincere apologies for any offended!

Ruinednose wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:02 am

I have apnea even when just 20lbs overweight, don't have to be morbid or anything. Some people carry more in their neck region and internally in the throat area stimulating collapse. Some of those people spoken of in that link also includes central apnea patients which is a whole other beast, likely not related to obesity. However furthering itself from osa /obesity... So keep that in mind.

Regardless, people don't want to belive this, they rather stay fat, feel sorry for themselves, tell themselves they are too old, too sick, to change their lifestyle.

There is without a doubt a clear connection between apnea and obesity AND between obesity and apnea. They go hand in hand.
Ive done it twice (loose weight and freed myself)
And knowing how weak I am mentally I may get fat yet again in the future, I'm no better than anyone else.
But I won't lie to myself, or pretend I'm helpless


To each their own... Weight.

Lol, Studies show that only works with 10 - 30% of people... and what in the world makes you think it has to do with being lazy? I've lost the weight, I'm just not stupid enough to get off the cpap without having another sleep study to prove that I don't need it any more... It's not like I can tell from the machine stats or with my quality of sleep (except I'd have to get up to pee if I was off the cpap... which it sounds like you just admitted too... having nocturia from untreated apnea... and getting a snack because your hungry from all the apnea events that caused you to have to get up in the middle of the night to pee.... )... Treated my AHI is under .1 an hour... untreated it's 50. If you haven't had a post weight loss sleep test you are just a stupid idiot who is going into the same weight gain cycle as before because of untreated sleep apnea. Period, end of story... you know why you crave all that food? Your body trying to store enough energy for all the adrenaline bursts at night... What a rube.

Not only that low (under 5 AHI) to moderate can get much worse with allergies and sickness... I know my AHI goes up everytime I have allergies, but you wouldn't know that because you had a one night sleep study. No doubt you have intermittent apnea... causing the nocturia and night cravings going on this stupid cycle as apnea slowly sneaks in and gets the best of you.

nicholasjh1 wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:36 am

what in the world makes you think it has to do with being lazy? I've lost the weight, I'm just not stupid enough to get off the cpap without having another sleep study to prove that I don't need it any more... It's not like

blah blah blah

He apologized in the post immediately preceding, and you come back with this?? WT??

ChicagoGranny wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:50 am

nicholasjh1 wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:36 am

what in the world makes you think it has to do with being lazy? I've lost the weight, I'm just not stupid enough to get off the cpap without having another sleep study to prove that I don't need it any more... It's not like

blah blah blah

He apologized in the post immediately preceding, and you come back with this?? WT??

Maybe I deserve it. But my test after the weight loss came back apnea free.
However I apologize for things I've said and feelings I've hurt. There is no excuse. You guys are great folks that have helped me through dark times, when family and friends laughed at my snoring..
So I appreciate you all, and again I apologize

When the weight gain is quick and it is the sole cause of OSA (which it certainly can be at times), then most definitely can weight loss "cure" the OSA, since the body/brain has not adapted to the breathing problem yet.

The much more common situation, however, is that long-standing OSA, to which a person's body/brain has already adapted, becomes established as a survival mechanism that cannot later be fully reversed in the nervous system. In that case, losing weight will rarely fully correct the sleep-breathing problem, as I understand it. And indeed, hormonal adaptation will tend to fight back at those attempts at weight loss with everything that the body can muster, since weight loss will be perceived as a threat to survival.

There is no need to take positions about isolated experiences, though. This is a board on a medical-related subject; there are always exceptions to any general rule of thumb in medicine. In fact, it is often the people who are exceptions to the usual rules who end up turning to Internet boards for help.

May the exceptions always be welcomed here. And may no one ever feel hurt by them.

Yeah, I know, I'm a dreamer.

ChicagoGranny wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:50 am

nicholasjh1 wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:36 am

what in the world makes you think it has to do with being lazy? I've lost the weight, I'm just not stupid enough to get off the cpap without having another sleep study to prove that I don't need it any more... It's not like

blah blah blah

He apologized in the post immediately preceding, and you come back with this?? WT??

What kind of fantasy world do you live in where people read the whole thread before commenting?

That said, nicholasjh1 is not wrong.

palerider wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:27 pm

That said, nicholasjh1 is not wrong.

He just rehashed what was already said multiple times. And that was immediately under the apology.

I would like to apologize for any comments on apologies that were made about comments on earlier apologies.

jnk... wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:32 pm

I would like to apologize for any comments on apologies that were made about comments on earlier apologies.

At-a-tudes such as yours don't work on this forum. There isn't a hint of bullying in your comment.

Lucyhere wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:57 pm

jnk... wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:32 pm

I would like to apologize for any comments on apologies that were made about comments on earlier apologies.

At-a-tudes such as yours don't work on this forum. There isn't a hint of bullying in your comment.

I mostly use my irritating form of politeness as a personal covert attempt at forum trolling.

ChicagoGranny wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:52 pm

palerider wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:27 pm

That said, nicholasjh1 is not wrong.

He just rehashed what was already said multiple times. And that was immediately under the apology.

He's certainly not the only person to comment without reading the whole thread.

This thread seems to be three or four threads to me.

But I read the most offensive stuff as being a guy expressing some self-loathing and self-condemnation more than anything.

Many docs view things similarly. They are wrong, sure. But it is still a commonly held view.

The sad thing is the damage to patients who fall for the docs' lines and then are convinced OSA is their own fault.

Still, I believe a small minority do gain weight quickly, get diagnosed immediately, lose weight quickly, and then are fine. Maybe I'm wrong. But I believe those magical unicorns are out there, even if not in this thread.

Then again, I also believe robots are stealing my luggage.

People vent. People apologize. People perpetuate threads. I've done all three in my time. So I volunteer to be the most guilty party in this thread.