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Re: Does anyone ever just give up on cpap?
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:43 am
by Sluggish
jnk... wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:20 am
Lifestyle changes arent possible without there being a life to style. Let CPAP save the lfe. Then they can style it any way they want.
Without decent sleep, no other changes are possible.
Good docs understand that.
So do we.
So should you.
In my opinion
In my opinion
I do understand this.
I think most people understand.. Cpap to get on track. Then we will have the energy to go to the grocery store and exercise etc.. With the eventual goal to be healthy again without the aid of a machine.
But when an example is given of a person who succeeded with this she is labeled as a "unicorn". Ridicule is made of the poster and jokes were made about getting her photo as if she is the sole person who has ever succeeded with this. Perhaps she is the sole success story who knows? It just didn't seem all that open minded. In my opinion anyway.
Re: Does anyone ever just give up on cpap?
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:53 am
by ChicagoGranny
Sluggish wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:43 am
But when an example is given of a person who succeeded with this she is labeled as a "unicorn". Ridicule is made of the poster and jokes were made about getting her photo as if she is the sole person who has ever succeeded with this. Perhaps she is the sole success story who knows? It just didn't seem all that open minded. In my opinion anyway.
There was no evidence given of the unicorn except a hasty, passing remark. That's not good enough.
Sluggish wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:32 am
And a $20k surgery reshaping your jaw doesn't always fix the issue either does it?
Feel free to read the results of the best study done on effectiveness of maxillomandibular advancement surgery -
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26606321
The surgeon's selection of appropriate candidates is very important.
Re: Does anyone ever just give up on cpap?
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:04 am
by palerider
Sluggish wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:32 am
palerider wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:51 am
Sluggish wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:27 am
I'm somewhere in the middle. Agree that CPAP is good. But we should not rule out lifestyle changes etc..
"Lifestyle changes" aren't going to reshape your jaw.
And a $20k surgery reshaping your jaw doesn't always fix the issue either does it?
Reshaping your jaw to open the airway is the *only* 'physical' fix that's going to work. Bullshit "lifestyle changes" are just that. Bullshit.
Re: Does anyone ever just give up on cpap?
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:07 am
by Sluggish
I’ll give it a read.
I might be double screwed then.
I’ve had an underbite my whole life. Been through it all with braces and meetings with surgeons and orthodontist. Braces got me to a point but they concluded that surgery to move my jaw BACK would be the only solution to my ortho problems.
Re: Does anyone ever just give up on cpap?
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:09 am
by palerider
Sluggish wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:43 am
I think most people understand.. Cpap to get on track. Then we will have the energy to go to the grocery store and exercise etc.. With the eventual goal to be healthy again without the aid of a machine.
You just
*don't get it*.
We have sleep apnea because of
poor genetics... not because of a 'lifestyle'.
Every fool that thinks "oh, I just need energy to go to the grocery store and exercise and then my apnea would disappear" is fooling themselves, You're ASSuming that they've got apnea because they're fat, but there are plenty of slim, young, athletic people
who have sleep apnea, and plenty more people who gained weight
because they have sleep apnea, alleviate the apnea, and they lose weight.... not the other way around.
But, whatever, you're not going to change your 'opinion' anymore than mogy or noise... so I'm done wasting my time on you.
Re: Does anyone ever just give up on cpap?
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:21 am
by Mogy
Sluggish wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:43 am
jnk... wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:20 am
Lifestyle changes arent possible without there being a life to style. Let CPAP save the lfe. Then they can style it any way they want.
Without decent sleep, no other changes are possible.
Good docs understand that.
So do we.
So should you.
In my opinion
In my opinion
I do understand this.
I think most people understand.. Cpap to get on track. Then we will have the energy to go to the grocery store and exercise etc.. With the eventual goal to be healthy again without the aid of a machine.
But when an example is given of a person who succeeded with this she is labeled as a "unicorn". Ridicule is made of the poster and jokes were made about getting her photo as if she is the sole person who has ever succeeded with this. Perhaps she is the sole success story who knows? It just didn't seem all that open minded. In my opinion anyway.
Hi Sluggish,
I think our approach to treatment of sleep apnea is similar. I used my APAP for about a year until I could make the changes to get my OSA under control.
With the changes I made I have been able to reduce my untreated(meaning not using xPAP) AHI from 19.5 to about 5. Still trying to get it lower.
Currently I am not using my machine, but have plans to use it again periodically to see if I notice any difference between using and not.
Re: Does anyone ever just give up on cpap?
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:46 am
by Midnight Strangler
Mogy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:21 am
I think our approach to treatment of sleep apnea is similar.
Yes, similar - mysterious denial.
Re: Does anyone ever just give up on cpap?
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:31 pm
by jnk...
Mogy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:21 am
I have been able to reduce my untreated(meaning not using xPAP) AHI from 19.5 to about 5.
Please post copies of the lab/center PSGs that prove that statement.
Re: Does anyone ever just give up on cpap?
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:54 pm
by palerider
jnk... wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:31 pm
Mogy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:21 am
I have been able to reduce my untreated(meaning not using xPAP) AHI from 19.5 to about 5.
Please post copies of the lab/center PSGs that prove that statement.
Mogy lives in his own little fantasy world, and is sucking in sluggish... Reality doesn't intrude.
Re: Does anyone ever just give up on cpap?
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:09 pm
by jnk...
Well, frankly, I sometimes have trouble telling the difference between reality and the Internet, myself. But I'm working on it.
Or at least I tell people that I am--both of me, to people in both places, especially when each of me is in each place at the same time.
Re: Does anyone ever just give up on cpap?
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:02 pm
by Sluggish
palerider wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:54 pm
jnk... wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:31 pm
Mogy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:21 am
I have been able to reduce my untreated(meaning not using xPAP) AHI from 19.5 to about 5.
Please post copies of the lab/center PSGs that prove that statement.
Mogy lives in his own little fantasy world, and is sucking in sluggish... Reality doesn't intrude.
Way to be open minded man. Not a good look when you rage quit and then can’t resist coming back for more snide remarks. It’s fine if you stay out man. Really.
Re: Does anyone ever just give up on cpap?
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:08 pm
by Mogy
jnk... wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:31 pm
Mogy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:21 am
I have been able to reduce my untreated(meaning not using xPAP) AHI from 19.5 to about 5.
Please post copies of the lab/center PSGs that prove that statement.
All my tests were done with the Resmed Apnealink Air Home Sleep Tester, so I don't have any lab/center PSGs. I have posted some of my tests on other threads.
If you need to see the data it is here:
http://www.apneaboard.com/forums/Thread ... nea?page=4
Re: Does anyone ever just give up on cpap?
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:24 pm
by bombayone
Sluggish wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:02 pm
palerider wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:54 pm
jnk... wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:31 pm
Mogy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:21 am
I have been able to reduce my untreated(meaning not using xPAP) AHI from 19.5 to about 5.
Please post copies of the lab/center PSGs that prove that statement.
Mogy lives in his own little fantasy world, and is sucking in sluggish... Reality doesn't intrude.
Way to be open minded man. Not a good look when you rage quit and then can’t resist coming back for more snide remarks. It’s fine if you stay out man. Really.
Sluggish - Welcome to the forum. You will find several members who can at times act with less than full respect or tolerance for the views of others.
Re: Does anyone ever just give up on cpap?
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:39 pm
by jnk...
Mogy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:08 pm
jnk... wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:31 pm
Mogy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:21 am
I have been able to reduce my untreated(meaning not using xPAP) AHI from 19.5 to about 5.
Please post copies of the lab/center PSGs that prove that statement.
All my tests were done with the Resmed Apnealink Air Home Sleep Tester, so I don't have any lab/center PSGs. I have posted some of my tests on other threads.
If you need to see the data it is here:
http://www.apneaboard.com/forums/Thread ... nea?page=4
That is a Type III device, so it can't determine sleep stages or sleep disruption. In other words, it can be used effectively to prove that your sleep is especially bad, but it is totally incapable of proving your sleep is good, or improved at all, by the course you are following. Therefore, you are using that device improperly to make meaningless assumptions about your sleep. As a personal appeal, I would ask that you please not use this forum to encourage others to follow that illogical and dangerous course. People's lives matter. Thanks.
Re: Does anyone ever just give up on cpap?
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:46 pm
by palerider
Sluggish wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:02 pm
palerider wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:54 pm
jnk... wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:31 pm
Mogy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:21 am
I have been able to reduce my untreated(meaning not using xPAP) AHI from 19.5 to about 5.
Please post copies of the lab/center PSGs that prove that statement.
Mogy lives in his own little fantasy world, and is sucking in sluggish... Reality doesn't intrude.
Way to be open minded man. Not a good look when you rage quit and then can’t resist coming back for more snide remarks. It’s fine if you stay out man. Really.
1 nobody "ragequit", recognition of the futility other changing your already made up mind isn't "ragequitting" it's reality.
2 I wasn't even talking to you.