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chunkyfrog wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:32 pm

D.H. wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:33 pm

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:41 pm

What is the life expectancy of the Amish?

I think about ten year less that the rest of us.

THINK???
I got my data from READING.
You should actually READ before you "think"--because what happens between your ears
DOES NOT QUALIFY AS THINKING.

Aw, come on, Chunk. If a man admits that he actually 'thinks ten years less than the rest of us,' don't give him a hard time about it--just take him at his word and move on, OK?

Don't make me post another poll, because you KNOW I'll do it!

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:32 pm

D.H. wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:33 pm

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:41 pm

What is the life expectancy of the Amish?

I think about ten year less that the rest of us.

THINK???
I got my data from READING.
You should actually READ before you "think"--because what happens between your ears
DOES NOT QUALIFY AS THINKING.

His think isn't as good as a blind mans dog's Read. Jim

To jnk:
Well, since you put it THAT way . . .

chunkyfrog

viewtopic/t104717/OTDefective-frogBreas ... CURED.html

Did they find the root cause?

Did your body heal?

jnk... wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:44 pm

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:32 pm

D.H. wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:33 pm

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:41 pm

What is the life expectancy of the Amish?

I think about ten year less that the rest of us.

THINK???
I got my data from READING.
You should actually READ before you "think"--because what happens between your ears
DOES NOT QUALIFY AS THINKING.

Aw, come on, Chunk. If a man admits that he actually 'thinks ten years less than the rest of us,' don't give him a hard time about it--just take him at his word and move on, OK?

There you go again... always tryin' to be politically correct, which is admirable... sometimes.

zackds

Does everyone know that if you take a statin drug your risk of developing ALS is increased... substantially?

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2018/04/0 ... sclerosis/

Or how about the indication that diuretics increase your chance of death?

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/100/12/1311

Or how about the indication that Lisinopril can cause early death?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25131919

The point is that I don't think anyone knows everything. We learn from being open to new ideas. Some people can't handle that. Others can.

ChicagoGranny,

I think you may be the "woo" expert and I may have science on my side...

Do you think the body tries to heal itself?

Do you think the body responds to physical, emotional, and chemical stress?

Where do you think the assault of stress first shows up on the body?

Jeff,

You have been sucked into the "system..."

I totally agree that CPAP machines do an excellent job of relieving the symptoms of sleep apnea. But...

What if there is a root cause that we are missing?

Finding that root cause may greatly improve our sleeping and resolve other health issues as well. We may still need to use our CPAP machines and I am fine with that.

Do you think the body naturally tries to heal itself?

If so, what would the healing process from sleep apnea look like?

HoseCrusher wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:33 pm

Jeff,

You have been sucked into the "system..."

I totally agree that CPAP machines do an excellent job of relieving the symptoms of sleep apnea. But...

What if there is a root cause that we are missing?

Finding that root cause may greatly improve our sleeping and resolve other health issues as well. We may still need to use our CPAP machines and I am fine with that.

Do you think the body naturally tries to heal itself?

If so, what would the healing process from sleep apnea look like?

The best possible cure would be choosing to be born from different parents: OSA seems to be very much heritable in regards to the physiological causes, as there are those that (for example) are incredibly obese and yet don't have a problem, while others are scrawny and have incredibly severe cases.

HoseCrusher wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:33 pm

Jeff,

You have been sucked into the "system..."

If by "system" you mean my "PAP system," it does not suck me in. It blows me up.

Or if by "system," you mean "reality," yes, I have been guilty of succumbing to it from time to time, usually kicking and screaming.

HoseCrusher wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:33 pm

Do you think the body naturally tries to heal itself? If so, what would the healing process from sleep apnea look like?

The syndrome of OSA is actually a RESULT of the body's trying to heal itself. First the body tries to heal its breathing by preventing sleep. Then the body tries to heal its sleep by allowing its own breathing to suffer. PAP is what allows the body to fix its own healing processes that have gone awry, allowing the body to heal PROPERLY as it gets BOTH good sleep AND good breathing, instead of sacrificing one for the other.

Since I use PAP successfully, I am every single night presently experiencing exactly what "the healing process from sleep apnea looks like," since PAP is the very thing that allows the body to heal itself naturally. Air is the most natural thing on the planet, even when slightly pressurized. Embrace it as a form of natural healing, so that it can correct the healing processes of the body that have previously operated in conflict, previously working at cross purposes to each another.

Sometimes it is the body's own healing processes that need a little natural help so that the body can heal itself properly instead of healing itself to death.

ChicagoGranny wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:17 am

zackds wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:06 am

i think the easy answer to your questions is, like joe rogan says about dick pills, if these 'doctors' solutions were real, dont you think everyone would know about them?

HoseCrusher has a long history of being sucked in by woo and rejecting science. Of course, he has never found one bit of woo that actually did anything good for himself.

haha, the problem with these people is they prevent those seeking help from finding it

From the moment I was diagnosed with OSA I've been intensely interested in trying to figure out why some of us (the minority) have OSA and yet most folks don't. One thing I hope most of all is that research continues and that sleep medicine doesn't stagnate.

Sometimes what seems obvious is not. For example, over the past decade or so research into ovarian cancer points to ovarian cancer starting in the fallopian tubes and then metastasizing to the ovaries. This turns everything doctors once thought they knew about this disease into completely different focus.

I believe that doctors have to be humble enough to consider that old hypotheses might simply not hold true and be open to changing old dogmas and yes even treatment.

Bring it on I say, let us never stop exploring! In the meantime I use my CPAP gratefully each night and continue to hope that one day in my lifetime some of these mysteries will be unraveled.

If we all thought the same, we would have nothing to talk about in forums.

Arlene1963 wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:04 am

From the moment I was diagnosed with OSA I've been intensely interested in trying to figure out why some of us (the minority) have OSA and yet most folks don't.

In my head (which I admit can sometimes be an odd, scary place), I don't think of myself so much as part of a minority who "have" OSA. I use those terms externally for convenience. But internally, that is buying into the present medical approach to sleep-breathing treatments more so than I am prepared to do at present. To me, those terms are only used because a conscious choice was made by an industry to keep PAP in the doc-diagnosed medical world in order not to preclude docs from being involved and to make sure there was enough money to spread around for PAP to take off quickly.

My personal preference would actually be for PAP machines to be sold in the pharmacy section of Target on the shelf somewhere between the room humidifiers and air purifiers. I believe they would be the safest machines or substances in the entire section of the store. That, to me, is the direction SDB-treatment should go--OTC. Not to preclude docs, but to keep cost down and not deny the "nondiagnosed" the possibility of benefiting. That's how wildly outside-the-box I am. Compared to my beliefs, HoseCrusher's are downright mainstream.

So, anyway, I think of myself as someone who is 'known to benefit from PAP,' full stop. To me, if we stop thinking in terms of who "has" something and who "doesn't," but instead think in terms of who may find benefit from PAP and who might not, we then begin, I believe, to see that PAP may have a much wider application and that it may turn out to be of benefit to a much larger segment of the population than those who presently benefit from it--perhaps the majority of adults, not the minority. I believe that even mild snorers would have a greatly improved life on PAP, not to mention bed partners of mild snorers. What would that be? All together, maybe eighty percent of the population in the Western non-Amish world? I don't know. Maybe D.H. knows.

I don't need a diagnosis and an Rx to be able to take the risks of buying an aspirin for a headache. So why do I need a diagnosis and an Rx just to get a little pressurized air to sleep better and allow my wife to sleep better next to me? I only pretend that it makes sense to me. But deep down, it really doesn't.

Imagine how inexpensive the machines would be if made on that large of a scale!

Hey, just me.

As one of my favorite Canadians once sang, "I'll always be a dreamin' man, I don't have to understand, I know it's alright."

Arlene1963 wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:04 am

For example, over the past decade or so research into ovarian cancer points to ovarian cancer starting in the fallopian tubes and then metastasizing to the ovaries. This turns everything doctors once thought they knew about this disease into completely different focus.

That goes along with what I've been thinking for years, especially since I've gotten older. It scares me how much doctors don't know. Sure, medicine has come a long way in the last 25 years and I'm grateful for what they do know. Still, it's become obvious how much doctors don't know but pretend they do know. So much is a 'guess', and it's obvious in the way a particular thing is presented to me. So, I go for a second opinion and sometimes a third. When all three have a different take on something, I know I'm in trouble because they don't know and are offering their 'opinion' only. Without getting into a political discussion... if our government spent as much money on curing various medical conditions (and getting CPAP machines on shelves in Walmart) as they do on the military, could be we all would live better and longer lives.