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Pugsy wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:24 pm

The ResMed machines that gather full data will give a 95% leak number on the machines LCD screen but you have to be using the LCD screen data to see it and you have to know where to look.
I think the My Air leak report is a different value and they use a percentage to reflect leak management with 100% being no large leaks.
The machine itself reports excess leaks in L/min and a 95 % number which all that means is at OR BELOW that number for 955 of the night.
All explained in the manual.
https://sleep.tnet.com/home/files/resme ... -guide.pdf

MyAir changed the reported leak number, now it reports the 95 percentile number. Not very useful for trying to tell what kind of leak is happening, around the edge or mouth opening. Sleepyhead far superior for that, as well am actually looking at the AHI and how clustered it is, and details of the waveforms. But then again, as I have said before, Myair is a motivational tool for those who do not care to look at the details of their treatment. As an example of how poor MyAIR is, last night I got a myAir score of 95/100. Must be pretty good yes? Nope, I hade the absolute worst freeking AHI and sleep since I have started PAPing over a year ago, with an AHI of 16.6, pretty evenly distributed amongst all types of events. Except for RERA, mostly because with all the other stuff going on there was no time for simple RERAs.

Yikes!

Maybe i need to get hold of a desktop. Say, do you have to pull the SD card out every day you want to run Sleepyhead?

Scluvsrain wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 08, 2018 11:57 pm

Say, do you have to pull the SD card out every day you want to run Sleepyhead?

Yes in most cases but there is a way for a person to use a very special type of WiFi card and leave that card in the machine and using the wifi part of the special SD card you can get the data to your computer.
.See here where it says data transfer between cpap machines.
I have never bothered to set it up myself but a lot of forum members us it this way.
It's a lot of work setting up and I just never bothered to want to set it up plus that special wifi card is a bit pricey.
https://sleep.tnet.com/equipment

Pulling the SD card was something I have done for years and years and years and now I don't do it very often unless something special going on so it's not much trouble for me. If nothing special going on I might got 4 to 6 months between downloads.

Scluvsrain wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 08, 2018 11:57 pm

Maybe i need to get hold of a desktop. Say, do you have to pull the SD card out every day you want to run Sleepyhead?

Not everyday is necessary unless you want to look at the data everyday. You could just look at the AHI on the machine and if you like what you see, then not bother for a few days. But, you should check and see how long detailed data is kept in the CPAP. With the current ResMeds it is 30 days. So if you don't want to lose any detailed data with the ResMed, you should download the card every 30 days as a minimum. But you don't have to. You can let things be until you see a problem with your CPAP results, and you will still have the last 30 days. It will mess up the long term average data, but I never look at that anyway.

Ron AKA wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:48 am

But, you should check and see how long detailed data is kept in the CPAP. With the current ResMeds it is 30 days. So if you don't want to lose any detailed data with the ResMed, you should download the card every 30 days as a minimum.

Where did you get that idea? Because of the S9 limitation??? It's no longer applicable to the new ResMed models.
With the new AirSense machines detailed data is kept for 365 days/nights and maybe longer depending on SD card capacity.
Waiting months between downloads affects nothing with the AirSense machines (or the Respironics for that matter)...only machine that it is a problem with is the ResMed machines prior to the AirSense/AirCurve models.
So yeah...with your wife's S9 you lose some detailed data but not with the newer machines. It's a total non issue with the AirSense models.

Pugsy wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:08 am

Ron AKA wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:48 am

But, you should check and see how long detailed data is kept in the CPAP. With the current ResMeds it is 30 days. So if you don't want to lose any detailed data with the ResMed, you should download the card every 30 days as a minimum.

Where did you get that idea? Because of the S9 limitation??? It's no longer applicable to the new ResMed models.
With the new AirSense machines detailed data is kept for 365 days/nights and maybe longer depending on SD card capacity.
Waiting months between downloads affects nothing with the AirSense machines (or the Respironics for that matter)...only machine that it is a problem with is the ResMed machines prior to the AirSense/AirCurve models.
So yeah...with your wife's S9 you lose some detailed data but not with the newer machines. It's a total non issue with the AirSense models.

Yes, good to know that the ResMeds have improved. It is not quite as simple as I stated even with the S9, and each user should check their clinical manual to be sure what it does. When I did that check for the S9 I see that it keeps detailed data for 30 days, but for the high resolution flow data, only 7 days. On the A10 it is a little less clear. Unless you are transmitting data wirelessly, it only says that detailed data and high resolution flow and pressure are limited only by the SD card capacity. I see that the S9 uses a 2 GB card, and the A10 has a 4 GB card. I guess one would have to fill it up to find out how many days it really can store...

Ron AKA wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:30 am

On the A10 it is a little less clear.

Actually I found the manual quite clear on the subject.

But if a person was unsure about the card capacity thing...past user experience tells us that these cards will hold a LOT more data than the machine will ever come close to writing to the card even with a year of continues normal usage.

We have people using the AirSense machines for well over several months and if they create a new profile in SleepyHead and import to that new profile....no detailed data is lost.

I can't confirm it because I had to erase my SD card to use it briefly for something else so I lost all the old detailed data.
Would someone who has used the AirSense/AirCurve machine for longer than 12 months be willing to do a little experiment for me????
Assuming you haven't messed with the SD card contents...go into SleepyHead and create a new user and then import to that brand new profile and go back to the first time you used the AirSense/AirCurve machine and see if the detailed graphs are visible?

Pugsy wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:53 am

Ron AKA wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:30 am

On the A10 it is a little less clear.

Actually, I found the manual quite clear on the subject.

But if a person was unsure about the card capacity thing...past user experience tells us that these cards will hold a LOT more data than the machine will ever come close to writing to the card even with a year of continues normal usage.

We have people using the AirSense machines for well over several months and if they create a new profile in SleepyHead and import to that new profile....no detailed data is lost.

I can't confirm it because I had to erase my SD card to use it briefly for something else so I lost all the old detailed data.
Would someone who has used the AirSense/AirCurve machine for longer than 12 months be willing to do a little experiment for me????
Assuming you haven't messed with the SD card contents...go into SleepyHead and create a new user and then import to that brand new profile and go back to the first time you used the AirSense/AirCurve machine and see if the detailed graphs are visible?

To reinforce Pugsy's information, I have an Air10 Auto - once the data is written to the card it is retained on the card indefinitely. But a caveat is that if the card is not in place at the time the data is being generated, it the AS10 does not retain any detailed data; only general data is saved for later writing to the SD card.

Scluvsrain wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 08, 2018 11:57 pm

Yikes!

Maybe i need to get hold of a desktop. Say, do you have to pull the SD card out every day you want to run Sleepyhead?

But there is no need to obsess over data, use the data to fix your problem, then after the ducks line up, use the data to make sure they keep marching. Jim

Ron AKA wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:13 pm

If you want to explore what bugs there may be in SleepyHead this forum is a good source of current info on the product.

CPAP Software Forum

Good grief. That would really confuse a beginner.

ChicagoGranny wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:41 pm

Ron AKA wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:13 pm

If you want to explore what bugs there may be in SleepyHead this forum is a good source of current info on the product.

CPAP Software Forum

Good grief. That would really confuse a beginner.

I'm starting to think that's ron's goal.

ChicagoGranny wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:41 pm

Ron AKA wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:13 pm

If you want to explore what bugs there may be in SleepyHead this forum is a good source of current info on the product.

CPAP Software Forum

Good grief. That would really confuse a beginner.

I bought a FlashAir WiFi SD Card so I wouldn't have to constantly move my SD Card from my AirSet 10 to my computer and back again.

I had a couple technical issues and used Apneaboard's Software Support Forum as a resource. While the information is there I found it difficult to find and not very thorough.

For what it's worth I'm using:

SleepyHead

• Software for xPAP data analysis and graphing.
• This program has become the defect standard on CPAPTalk and doesn't really need an description
• Windows, Mac and Linux support.

Toshiba's FlashAir w-04 WiFi SD Card

• 16GB
• $47 (CDN) from Amazon.ca
• Because of it's tiny internal antenna and minimal power use this device has distance limitations. My machine is about 30 feet from my router and connects reliably
• Saw for $30 (US) on Amazon.com
• This SD Card basically has a wireless network card built into it. This allows you to connect to it and download your data directly from your xPAP machine directly to your computer. No need to move the SD Card back and forth between xPAP and computer
• The documentation is pretty sparse and not easy, especially for non-technical people

Sleep Master

• Software designed to download data from Flashair within an xPAP device and save on local computer for direct import into SleepyHead
• Available at www.sleepmaster.org
• Written in Java, compatible with Windows, Mac and Linux (Ubuntu, Arch, Mint, probably more)
• Documentation - Poor
• Software is kind of glitchy:
  • Not easy to setup
  • Sometimes delays and is unresponsive for a while
  • Occasionally doesn't find my FlashAir or won't recognize it as my profile

Despite the glitchy nature of Sleep Master, now that I have become aware of it's nuances, my morning ritual after waking up has become:

• Make coffee and bring up to computer.
• Start Sleep Master
• Download data from ResMed A10 AutoSet
• Import into SleepyHead.

I love not having to manually move the SD Card and no longer risk wearing down SD Card port on xPAP device or forgetting the card in my computer and blowing that nights data.


ps: @Pugsy - I've seen you comment occasionally about concern for posters shilling for products. I'm not a shill for FlashAir or SleepMaster.

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:38 pm

my morning ritual after waking up has become:
Make coffee and bring up to computer.
Start Sleep Master
Download data from ResMed A10 AutoSet
Import into SleepyHead.

Is your CPAP therapy not optimized and stable?

Once my therapy was stable, I found the machine display info became all I would check upon arising. Only in the rare case where the display showed a large leak or an AHI above 2.5, will I look at the data in Sleepyhead.

No eggs?

ChicagoGranny wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:23 am

Once my therapy was stable, I found the machine display info became all I would check upon arising. Only in the rare case where the display showed a large leak or an AHI above 2.5, will I look at the data in Sleepyhead.

I don't even look at the machine display.
But some people just enjoy the routine of downloading and reviewing.
I think Den still does it after all these years...just likes doing it.
Dog Slobber is very new to this therapy...and hasn't got to the point where it's all boring yet. I think it was 6 months of daily downloads when I started cpap before I got to the "it's boring" point and started to slack off on the downloads.
Now...sometimes it's 2 or 3 months unless I am experimenting with something or I feel like there might have been a problem during the night.
Like last week I had a night where I had to get up twice to pee....highly unusual for me as usually I have no pee breaks in the middle of the night. So I downloaded and reviewed the data to see if I spotted anything that might explain it. Wasn't anything there that I could see...AHI was less than 1.0 and pressures did their usual stuff and for once my leak line was actually quite pretty.
So....blamed the aliens again.