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Pugsy wrote:

Dennis03 wrote:
Because people get to offer their opinion just like you got to offer yours....which makes me wonder...brand new to the forum with 2 posts here and both defending So Clean.
We get people here who come just to shout the So Clean praises and no other reason because they are paid for shouting those praises.
Are you one of those people?

So, if I'm new, my opinions don't matter. I came here originally to see if anyone else has experienced discoloration from using the SoClean system. I have. HOWEVER, I still believe it's an effective method of sanitizing my mask and machine. You call it a scam. I call it a solution. If you don't like it DON'T USE IT, but there are many satisfied users. No, I don't work for SoClean. I was like you - ignorant. My wife bought it for my birthday. I took several days before I set it up. Since then, I've become a believer. I no longer have a film of whatever in my reservoir. If you like that film, good for you. Yeah, you don't have that film. You're perfect. Do some research and you will find that I - and you - are not alone in the film thing.

https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-film-in ... AP-machine

Now, if you're done attacking people simply because they haven't been on this forum as long as you have, have a nice day.

Goofproof wrote: . . . Brain Eating Microbes, died from starvation . . .

That would be my guess as well.

The xPAP prices seem to have been dropping this year. But, the SoClean prices remain the same. Now, the SoClean costs almost 1/2 of the xPAP price.

Relatively speaking, becoming more and more overpriced. It's now $395 CDN on Amazon. More than I paid for my Roomba. And the Roomba cleans under the bed.

Cpapian wrote:The xPAP prices seem to have been dropping this year. But, the SoClean prices remain the same. Now, the SoClean costs almost 1/2 of the xPAP price.

Relatively speaking, becoming more and more overpriced. It's now $395 CDN on Amazon. More than I paid for my Roomba. And the Roomba cleans under the bed.

Let's see... what shall I buy -- a SoClean that doesn't do very much or a Roomba that cleans under the bed

Dennis03 wrote: I came here originally to see if anyone else has experienced discoloration from using the SoClean system. I have.

Because your toy is harmful to plastics and silicone. (silicone and ozone don't mix).

Dennis03 wrote:HOWEVER, I still believe it's an effective method of sanitizing my mask and machine.

You can *believe* that up is down, left is right, hot is cold, etc, that doesn't make any of those beliefs *correct*.

Dennis03 wrote: I was like you - ignorant.

Well sir...I am far from ignorant. Just because I don't agree with your thoughts doesn't make me ignorant.
No need to get nasty here.

I don't care what you do with your money, your machine or your life for that matter.
All I did was clear up some potential confusion about "your germs" which you apparently didn't understand what people mean when they talk about "your germs".
And ask you a simple question as to why you bothered to come here and your only posts are to defend the So Clean system..
Seems a bit odd to me. Wouldn't be the first time So Clean has sent a shill here.

And I never said I liked the film in the reservoir....I don't get it but some people do. If I did then I would just wash the water chamber every couple of weeks or so. Being perfect has nothing to do with it. I don't wash my water chamber very often and I still don't get the film. It just doesn't come and set up shop in my water chamber. I got lucky.
Using the So Clean doesn't mean that the facial oils, grime, snot, slobber gets removed from the equipment. You still have to manually wash it.
Using the So Clean just means (assuming it actually kills anything which is unlikely) you have sort of sterile dirt, facial oils, grime, snot, slobber on your equipment. Maybe you are okay with that but I am not.

Dennis03 wrote: If you like that film, good for you. Yeah, you don't have that film. You're perfect. Do some research and you will find that I - and you - are not alone in the film thing.

And thank you very much but I long ago researched this product quite extensively and decided if it wasn't going to wash my stuff for me then I didn't want it....and we have a forum member who works in the field who did his own write up about his own personal research and his field of work and he returned his So Clean within the 30 days because it didn't/couldn't do what it says it does. There are a lot of holes in the So Clean claim and if you don't care about those holes...I really don't care that you don't care about those holes. It's your money (or wife's) and your equipment and your life but when people come here and ask our thoughts...they will get our thoughts. You don't like those thoughts...well tough. We get to express those thoughts just like you get to express yours.

BTW....that film and the bacteria that causes it...it's everywhere in your house. It's very common.

So I know Dennis won't bother to read this or listen to what is said but for others wondering about So Clean you might read this thread and especially the stuff that flightco wrote.

viewtopic/t157842/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1 ... 9#p1210375

by flightco on Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:27 pm

I will give you some facts, and I base the facts on the fact that I am the one who works in the industry of low temperature sterilzation

1. So Clean claims they use the same technology as is used in hospitals. LIE - the hospital ozone sterilizers cost upwards of 100,000.00 and require an O2 farm (a room with 15 to 20 tall O2 cylinders) to provide pure oxygen to extract the ozone. Besides the fact that SoClean lied about this, why on earth do you think a 300.00 device can even come close to what a 100,000.00 device can do. If SoClean was validated to sterilize or even high level disinfect, hospitals would have hundreds of them rather than the 100K devices. The SoClean just does not have the power to do what you think it does.

2. It does not clean. Period. You think it does, place a small dab of peanut butter in your hose and see if it is still there when the cycle is complete. You think this is not a good test, it is the basis of the VA soil test, the test that all medical cleaners must pass or they cannot claim to clean.

3. Amazon reviews - nothing but feel good stories. I have not read one Amazon review that can factually claim that the SoClean kills germs. If you know of one, please post the link because I would like to read it. What is the basis of a 5 star review when all they can go on is they like it? Meaningless.

4. I did own a SoClean on the 30 day trial, when I realized what it was vs. the claims they make I returned it under the 30 day return policy. Why not just get one of the room ozone fans and hang your mask in front of it, they would both do the same thing which is nothing.

I am just repeating the same thing I have typed here about a hundred times; for now on I will just say it is awesome, give the scammers your money, you will love it.

Those of you who have the So Clean and love it....I am happy that you are happy with the product and what you spent the big bucks for.
I have a good friend who has one and loves it and I am happy for him. I never once gave him any grief over his purchase. He never asked my opinion either. It's his life and his money.
I just don't want to spend $300 on something and STILL have to manually wash the snot, slobber, grime, dirt, whatever off my mask. I have better things to do with my money.

And finally when someone comes here and the ONLY posts they make here is to pick a fight about how good the So Clean is and how ignorant we are because we just don't get it and get snotty and nasty and hateful. Doesn't say much about person when they have to attack the person giving them the message they don't like instead of actually doing an attempt at a factual rebuttal. Just saying...I would have maybe listened to Dennis if he hadn't got so personal and snotty at me and instead offered some real facts instead of what he thinks.

Lucyhere wrote:

Cpapian wrote:The xPAP prices seem to have been dropping this year. But, the SoClean prices remain the same. Now, the SoClean costs almost 1/2 of the xPAP price.

Relatively speaking, becoming more and more overpriced. It's now $395 CDN on Amazon. More than I paid for my Roomba. And the Roomba cleans under the bed.

Let's see... what shall I buy -- a SoClean that doesn't do very much or a Roomba that cleans under the bed

Depends on how often you roll out of bed, if you don't just leave those germs on the floor, they can't jump... Jim

Lucyhere wrote:

Cpapian wrote:The xPAP prices seem to have been dropping this year. But, the SoClean prices remain the same. Now, the SoClean costs almost 1/2 of the xPAP price.

Relatively speaking, becoming more and more overpriced. It's now $395 CDN on Amazon. More than I paid for my Roomba. And the Roomba cleans under the bed.

Let's see... what shall I buy -- a SoClean that doesn't do very much or a Roomba that cleans under the bed

There never was a question on my part. I love my little roomba. Last one died when the cat peed on it.

Cpapian wrote:

Lucyhere wrote:

Cpapian wrote:The xPAP prices seem to have been dropping this year. But, the SoClean prices remain the same. Now, the SoClean costs almost 1/2 of the xPAP price.

Relatively speaking, becoming more and more overpriced. It's now $395 CDN on Amazon. More than I paid for my Roomba. And the Roomba cleans under the bed.

Let's see... what shall I buy -- a SoClean that doesn't do very much or a Roomba that cleans under the bed

There never was a question on my part. I love my little roomba. Last one died when the cat peed on it.

It's Roomba's fault, it cleaned up the cat litter you spilled, that confused the cat! Jim

Sometimes cats express their disgust by peeing in inappropriate places.
They do understand the expression "pissed off".
The roomba probably interrupted the kitty's nap.
Responsible posters will always respond to trolls promoting JUNK.
Misinformation is harmful, and it pisses us off!
Spammers--grab your towel!

In retrospect, it was my fault. He was a stray newly brought into the house and it terrified him. Poor guy. Now with the new one, I hold him when it runs and give him treats after. Then I lock it up.

I find the roomba really handy. And ..... I know it works. Evidenced by the cat hairs in the collection tray.

Cpapian wrote:In retrospect, it was my fault. He was a stray newly brought into the house and it terrified him. Poor guy. Now with the new one, I hold him when it runs and give him treats after. Then I lock it up.

I find the roomba really handy. And ..... I know it works. Evidenced by the cat hairs in the collection tray.

Lucky you took in a stray cat, instead of a stray skunk. Jim

[/quote] Because your toy is harmful to plastics and silicone. (silicone and ozone don't mix).

It's EXTREMELY easy to get the facts on the Internet. Type in a few key words and let it go. I typed in "Silicone, compatible, ozone" . I already knew the answers because I had spent years in fluidics and knew that it was compatible since I had worked with ozone. But don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion. If it doesn't agree with you, you can call it a lie or fake news. However, this is not my opinion or yours. These are facts from an organization that rates compatibility of materials in the presence of ozone. If you read down far enough, you'll find that silicone is rated EXCELLENT:

https://www.ozonesolutions.com/info/ozo ... -materials

I'm done with this website. It has a bunch of people who do not accept ANYONE disagreeing with them. My original post was about discoloration of the tube on my mask and to ask if anyone else had that experience. NOT ONE person responded to that.

Have a good one. I didn't find any help with this group.

Dennis03 wrote:I'm done with this website. It has a bunch of people who do not accept ANYONE disagreeing with them. My original post was about discoloration of the tube on my mask and to ask if anyone else had that experience. NOT ONE person responded to that.

You ask about discoloration on a forum where 99% of the people don't use the SoClean...what did you expect them to say to the question about discoloration?

FWIW...I have read that it does indeed turn the silicone yellow. I got that from one forum member a while back and confirmed by using the google feature available and reading up on what people say who actually use the device.

I guess the one forum member who used the device and mentioned the discoloration hasn't had a chance to see your question and respond.

verbatim wrote:

xxyzx wrote:no - i dont think it is bad for teh seals

I think the person who bought it is sorry but it's already a fait accompli, so they asked me for advice.

There are only two ways to get the answer to the question of whether the ozone damages the seals.
. Empirical (which only people who have the machine for a long time would know)
. Chemical (which will take some knowledge of specifications)

Mostly I'm asking for empirical evidence of seal damage here, since that would be obvious to anyone using it for a long time.

I will try to find the ozone concentration of this device, and then I can figure out what its effect would be on bacteria, viruses, and molds, where I suspect molds are the main enemy that the machine is trying to kill.

Anyone have the machine who can let us know, empirically, what the effect has been on your seals?

I have been using mine for about 6 months and noticed no discoloration on either Nuance Pro or Dreamwear.