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is there any chance you can add some facts (which can be verified by everyone) to your "theory" or should we guess the weight of your 'argument' from the extense of your insults?

I quote directly from the breathing-article from en wikipdia - point 4 "control" (they have links to theirs sources on that page)

Automatic breathing can be overridden to a limited extent by simple choice, or to facilitate swimming, speech, singing or other vocal training. Breathing disciplines are incorporated into meditation, certain forms of yoga such as pranayama, and the Buteyko method as a treatment for asthma and other conditions.[8] It is impossible to suppress the urge to breath to the point of hypoxia but training can increase the ability to breath-hold, for example, in February 2016, a Spanish, professional freediver broke the world record for holding the breath under water at just over 24 minutes.[9]

(smoking is by the way also a very good example of controlled breathing - both in duration and depth)

just to be careful - noone was saying that this can be done to the extent of suffucation.
This thread was about the AHI while awake - I and others said: during wake times the machines do score a lot of events because our breathing while awake is different to the breathing while sleeping.
you said: no (or nearly no) events while awake. (I can imagine that this is coming from your O2-"thingy".)

there is a reason it is called SLEEP-Apnea and not simply Apnea.

xxyzx wrote:learn to read ENGLISH

Learn to write it.

xxyzx wrote: learn to read ENGLISH

control is not scheduling

are we talking now about semantics of what someone else said and could or not could not have meant in the context of this thread on this board?
really? you want to go there?

xxyzx wrote:

palerider wrote:

xxyzx wrote:learn to read ENGLISH

Learn to write it.

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i write english quite well

i have a masters certificate in it
and was a professional writer in one well paid job

Oh my... another degree! XXZ how in hell did you EVER work at a job, you spent SOOOO much time getting degrees, you can't have had time to work.

xxyzx wrote:

palerider wrote:

xxyzx wrote:learn to read ENGLISH

Learn to write it.

i write english quite well

Copious evidence to the contrary.

xxyzx wrote:i have a masters certificate in it

How much did you pay for that? or are they putting them in crackerjack boxes now?

xxyzx wrote:and was a professional writer in one well paid job

Fired the first week, no, day for incompetence?

nanwilson wrote:

xxyzx wrote:

palerider wrote:

xxyzx wrote:learn to read ENGLISH

Learn to write it.

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i write english quite well

i have a masters certificate in it
and was a professional writer in one well paid job

Oh my... another degree! XXZ how in hell did you EVER work at a job, you spent SOOOO much time getting degrees, you can't have had time to work.

Perhaps this in-DUH-vidual is one of those that spent so much time studying their field, that they have absolutely no concept of reality, and likely can't tie their own shoes without help.

I've noticed central apneas when I concentrate hard all throughout the day.

This presents a complication to one suffering from multiple awakenings to determine their cause. Is a real apnea causing the awakening or an awakening due to some undiagnosed problem falsely recorded by the machine as an apnea?

First of all, AHI is an index of the hourly average of apneas and hypopneas that occur when sleeping. You do not ever have "AHIs". Secondly, whatever happens when you are awake, they are not related to sleep disordered breathing, so any reference to AHI while awake is nothing but nonsense.

I asked something new but it got drowned. My question is if you don't sleep through an apnea event how can you tell whether it was a real sleep apnea event or not, as we have noticed that the machine records events even when awake, so you might have woken up and then a false event got recorded.

deadEternally wrote:I asked something new but it got drowned. My question is if you don't sleep through an apnea event how can you tell whether it was a real sleep apnea event or not, as we have noticed that the machine records events even when awake, so you might have woken up and then a false event got recorded.

Time time, education and experience we can usually have a good idea if the flagged event was flagged when asleep or awake by looking at the flow rate breath by breath pattern.
Not always of course but for the most part they are fairly easy to spot the differences once a person learns what asleep breathing looks like and what awake breathing usually looks like.

When I start the machine and get into bed, I have found it very relaxing to take deep breaths. I breathe in four a count of three, then exhale for a count of three. I also do this if I wake up during the night. It is very easy to tell when I am awake just by looking at the sleepy head graphs. This makes it easy to identify the SWJ.