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Re: Rudeness
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:52 am
by DreamStalker
jsielke wrote:Wow! I did not mean to start a war with my observation. I was not "trolling," but rather making an observation that in a group such as this, all sharing a difficult condition, I was surprised that there was so much hostility and vitriol. I saw the apology posted by one member for his comments, and then he was attacked for his apology. I wish the moderators would just delete this entire thread. I am sorry I brought it up. I have now figured out the answer. The Apnea board is where one goes to get answers to apnea-related questions and concerns, but if you have a bad night, come here to vent. I get it.
Now now ... just breathe deeply and know that you did not start a war. That's Donald J. Trump's job.
And nobody thought you were "trolling" ... well, except the one member ... and he already apologized to you specifically (even if it was in the other "apology to everyone thread" instead of this one where it belonged).
The forum is unmoderated ... just like life is in the real world -- so there is no need for you to be sorry.
As for figuring out the answer(s) .... Mmmm, no disrespect but I don't think you've been around here long enough for answers. But feel free to hang with the other "moderated", and I do mean moderated, apnea forum. You'll be welcomed back here any time ... or at least most of the time (but since it's unmoderated here, who cares).
However, you don't seem to be clued in as to who is being rude, or apologetic, or attacked, or moderated, or hostile, or surprised, or starting thermonuclear wars ... so I would highly advise that you hang around this forum for those answers.
Re: Rudeness
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:13 pm
by ColinP
jsielke wrote:Wow! I did not mean to start a war with my observation. I was not "trolling," but rather making an observation that in a group such as this, all sharing a difficult condition, I was surprised that there was so much hostility and vitriol. I saw the apology posted by one member for his comments, and then he was attacked for his apology. I wish the moderators would just delete this entire thread. I am sorry I brought it up. I have now figured out the answer. The Apnea board is where one goes to get answers to apnea-related questions and concerns, but if you have a bad night, come here to vent. I get it.
Nah, you just hit a bit of a nerve. What you said was 100% accurate and needed to be said. This place has become rude and nasty in recent years. It wasn't always like this. The guy that apologized is at least in part responsible for that shift, and his token apology for one single post falls far short of what is needed, which is why he is still the target of some of those who prefer a friendly and helpful environment.
There will always be those who prefer to back down in the face of bullies, and those who will stand up to them. In the short term, standing up to them causes tension and distress, but it really is the better option in the long run, which is why I don't see myself backing down until he starts behaving in a socially acceptable manner.
One apology, in a grandstanding thread of its own instead of here where it should have appeared, does not shout out 'sincere' to me.
Re: Rudeness
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:24 pm
by prodigyplace
DreamStalker wrote:\
... I don't think you've been around here long enough for answers. ...
Got it.
You do not want to encourage newbies with CPAP answers & advice. Perhaps they need to change the forum name.
Re: Rudeness
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:00 pm
by prodigyplace
I must have misread.
I thought this was CPAPtalk.com not CRAPtalk.com
Re: Rudeness
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:08 pm
by DreamStalker
prodigyplace wrote:DreamStalker wrote:\
... I don't think you've been around here long enough for answers. ...
Got it.
You do not want to encourage newbies with CPAP answers & advice. Perhaps they need to change the forum name.
.... Mmmm, no disrespect but I think you misquoted me .... and incompletely out of context too.
And you "got it" ... all wrong too me thinks! Perhaps a bad day but that means it can only get better right?
Anyway, quite the contrary to how you "got it" ... I DO want to encourage YOU and everybody else (newbies alike) to seek out AND provide CPAP (or any other) answers & advice. Doesn't mean we have to agree but this forum has been for everybody for well over a decade and even I was a newbie when I first joined.
So .... who do you think should change the forum name -- and to what name do you think it should be changed to? ..... never mind, I just saw your next post.
Oh well, thanks for all your advice nonetheless, CPAP or otherwise.
Oh yes, and welcome!
Re: Rudeness
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:11 pm
by DreamStalker
prodigyplace wrote:I must have misread.
I thought this was CPAPtalk.com not CRAPtalk.com
Easter is weird huh? They say he died (on a Friday I think?) and then on the third day rose again (wouldn't that be a Monday?).
Anyway, sure do hope your day improves cuz groundhog daze sucks.
Re: Rudeness
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:59 pm
by Hang Fire
Loser wrote:They say he died (on a Friday I think?) and then on the third day rose again (wouldn't that be a Monday?).
http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-decepti ... rucifixion
Re: Rudeness
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:46 pm
by DreamStalker
Seems to be problems with the quote button for some folks today huh?
But anyway, to respond to your "Loser" comment (should that be quoted?) ...
The link seems to suggest to not use the days of the week and instead just use numbered days as their figure shows below ...
However, if we have to end up on a "Sunday" -- even their figure does not seem to match up to their explanation which they admit is just one of other variations/interpretations of faith-based math ...
"This could mean that Jesus would have died on Wednesday, in order to be entombed for three literal days and three literal nights (Thursday, Friday, and Saturday), and rise on Sunday. Other variations of this belief also exist. "
Theology is not my forte and for a good reason -- but thanks for your obscure info nonetheless.
Anyway, Happy Easter (whenever it occurs for you)!
Re: Rudeness
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:07 pm
by mrbreezeet1
49'r sorry about your cancer, hope you are alright now.
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Re: Rudeness
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:08 pm
by mrbreezeet1
49er wrote:jsielke wrote:Thanks for the replies, and my prayers to my fellow cancer survivors (Bladder, prostate and 4 melanomas, all clear now).
Wow, that is fantastic to hear.
49er
Yes it is, colon here. Clear 3 plus years.
xxyzx wrote:agreed
and often they are not as smart as they think they are
they dont realise that what they think they know is not so
jsielke wrote:I had some time this morning, and was reading through some posts on this, and on the Apnea Board. I noticed there are a lot of rather rude responses to some questions on the list. Granted, some of the questions seem obvious, but probably are not to the person asking. I see terse, sometimes even sarcastic answers given by some of the "experts."
I will probably be banned for posting this, but after noting this, I had to say something.
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Re: Rudeness
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:31 pm
by mrbreezeet1
RestlessinWoolley wrote:I honestly know so little about this that I hardly read any other posts as I have no significant information to give other then to avoid Lincare as a DME, so I didn't realize there were more sites. MyApnea is tightly ran and you have to go thru an exhausting survey just to post. But I'm on maybe 20 other forums of different sorts and an admin of 3. Pale has been the it one I've wanted to throw the banhammer at. But he has on occasion proven to be right, but agreed he could be far more friendly about it. But like I said I'll more than likely fade into Oblivion once my Asv gets going as even this loaner CPAP is working far better. Sill have insomnia like crazy and it doent help with .Y nose glued to.my device lol.
Avoid Lincare....... Aaron That's who I have.
I am starting to agree,
And my sleep Dr. Is passing the buck to them.
Any time I want to try something new, I have to argue with them.
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Re: Rudeness
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:42 pm
by mrbreezeet1
49er wrote:FishLips wrote:Funny.
Bad attitude and disrespect have no other source or cause than the person from whom they originate. There's really no excuse for it.
I was on the phone with HP support this morning, and found myself falling into that behavior. There were plenty of excuses I could use to justify it (bad connection, bad English, following an irrelevant flow-chart script, I'm-smarter-than-him-mentality, etc.). I had to consciously consider the tech as a fellow human being who had his own considerations, constraints, and limitations; and tell myself to chill the fuck out.
Yeah, I tend to get pretty sharp-tongued when annoyed. But if I use my brain for a minute, I can dial it back.
Great points FishLips,
Unfortunately, I didn't with a doctor's office and started yelling at the staff member. I was extremely frustrated that I felt I wasn't being heard and it was just a cumulation of dealing with alot of cr-p. But that isn't an excuse.
Interestingly, when I dealt with this office the other day, I could feel myself starting to lose my temper and by telling the person that, I calmed myself down. Anyway, the staff member got a team leader which was the right move and I got what I needed. In the future, I will ask for her.
Speaking of learning lessons, I used to get very frustrated dealing with Amazon employees in India for various reasons. Thanks to a suggestion by a friend, I automatically ask to be transferred to someone in the States. Works like a charm.
Yeah, but the people in India are Ok, if you give them a chance, and don't assume they're idiots just because they are from. India.
I have ran into complete clues idiots from the USA.
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Re: Rudeness
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:58 pm
by mrbreezeet1
Rob K wrote:Rudeness on the internet.lol People can be pretty awful. It would be awesome if people put more effort into improving their communication skills and show more compassion.
As far as the forum goes it would be nice if the rude comments were cleaned up. A little or a lot, any level would be appreciated. Being a new member I can see how many people would be turned off by the atmosphere. Until your here for a while you don't know who to ignore. It can be tough to figure out. The easiest thing is to stop reading the forum.
I find when I spend too much time on the internet that I get cranky. Imagine if your on the forum reading and posting everyday on just about every thread. There's no doubt your going to lose your patience and say things that you probably shouldn't; or in a way that you shouldn't. I don't see this as an excuse to be rude, but it will happen from time to time. If the poor behavior keeps happening then I feel bad for the person, because they are obviously not having a good time in their life.
I have a long list of tests, doctors, diagnoses and treatments over a 3 year span that cost me many thousands of dollars. Up until a couple months ago I was still feeling horrible everyday. I went through several stretches in the last few years where I really didn't care if I lived. Giving up on the doctors and turning to the internet for answers, I sought to figure out how I can adjust my cpap pressures. I eventually found the Sleepyhead software and this forum. Several of the regular members that you mention helped me to figure out that the pressures were not adequate on my machine and they were very generous in helping me get proper treatment. Looking back I had an AHI of around 3-5, occasionally more, and I felt like you could have rolled me in the grave and covered me with dirt and I would have been alright with that. It turns out I was having many health problems that were being caused by chronic sleep deprivation. Now my AHI is around 1 most nights and I feel totally different. Things have improved a lot. I no longer feel terrible everyday. My life is now getting turned around and moving in a good direction. Rude or kind hearted, thank you for your gift.
I understand the not wanting to live thing.
And yes I think it's due to nit sleeping well.
I just can't seem to get my CPAP working right.
Can we tweak the pressure with the blue tooth software.
My DEP(?) Told me it was locked.
No, haven't downloaded it yet. Don't really feel like doing a whole heck of a lot.
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Re: Rudeness
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:14 pm
by mrbreezeet1
DreamStalker wrote:prodigyplace wrote:I must have misread.
I thought this was CPAPtalk.com not CRAPtalk.com
Easter is weird huh? They say he died (on a Friday I think?) and then on the third day rose again (wouldn't that be a Monday?).
Anyway, sure do hope your day improves cuz groundhog daze sucks.
No, the counted Friday as the first day. Friday, Saturday, Sunday,..... 123rd day.
Way I see it.
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Re: Rudeness
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:29 am
by 49er
mrbreezeet1 wrote:49er wrote:FishLips wrote:Funny.
Bad attitude and disrespect have no other source or cause than the person from whom they originate. There's really no excuse for it.
I was on the phone with HP support this morning, and found myself falling into that behavior. There were plenty of excuses I could use to justify it (bad connection, bad English, following an irrelevant flow-chart script, I'm-smarter-than-him-mentality, etc.). I had to consciously consider the tech as a fellow human being who had his own considerations, constraints, and limitations; and tell myself to chill the fuck out.
Yeah, I tend to get pretty sharp-tongued when annoyed. But if I use my brain for a minute, I can dial it back.
Great points FishLips,
Unfortunately, I didn't with a doctor's office and started yelling at the staff member. I was extremely frustrated that I felt I wasn't being heard and it was just a cumulation of dealing with alot of cr-p. But that isn't an excuse.
Interestingly, when I dealt with this office the other day, I could feel myself starting to lose my temper and by telling the person that, I calmed myself down. Anyway, the staff member got a team leader which was the right move and I got what I needed. In the future, I will ask for her.
Speaking of learning lessons, I used to get very frustrated dealing with Amazon employees in India for various reasons. Thanks to a suggestion by a friend, I automatically ask to be transferred to someone in the States. Works like a charm.
Yeah, but the people in India are Ok, if you give them a chance, and don't assume they're idiots just because they are from. India.
I have ran into complete clues idiots from the USA.
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Let me clarify my points. No, I don't think the folks in India are idiots but what I have found repeatedly in dealing with them is they don't seem to be able to think outside the box when there is a problem whereas the Amazon employees in the US have been able to when I dealt with them.
Oh, I do agree there are clueless idiots in the US. Excellent point.