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Re: Use CPAP for naps?
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:58 pm
by lanco
The leaning forward of my head for me while sitting in a straight backed chair causes my jaw to fall forward and keeps my airway open. my wife will tell you the same thing as if I don't lean forward I start making those throat sounds when air is not passing through. Try it. It works. Also during the day my sinuses may be stuffy and using a mask would require more medication and or nasal sprays. No thanks for me. It may not be the ideal position, but it does the job easily, and conveniently anywhere at anytime with no side effects.
The other thing is I don't overdo the head tilt. just enough to avoid the gasping, choking issue.
Re: Use CPAP for naps?
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:07 pm
by Janknitz
lanco wrote:16 years ago when I started my tech told me to use it even when napping. However, during the day I tend to nap in a chair with a straight back and instead of using a cpap I allow my head to go forward towards my chest. This causes my jaw to fall forward and for the most part it opens my airway so that i can nap with no interruptions. Along the same line of thought before I had a cpap my wife used to stick her finger in my mouth and pull out a little on my lower jaw to keep my airway open. It works.
Bullhockey! Ever learn CPR? What position does the head have to be in to open the airway??? (Hint: it's not forward). When your head tilts forward, regardless of what happens to the jaw, the airway is mechanically occluded. Back in my clinician days we used that position to protect the airway in people with swallowing difficulties. Take a bite or sip of food, tilt the head forward before swallowing to make sure that the food or liquid goes into the stomach and NOT the airway.
When I fall asleep sitting straight up first I snore and then I have reflux. Being upright is no help at all.
Re: Use CPAP for naps?
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:24 pm
by conasauga
In the beginning I used the machine all the time. Then when was I started struggling at night I gave up trying to use it during naps. Also my spouse disliked me having the cpap next to my chair. I suspect the best thing would be to avoid naps and if necessary take them in bed. However, I am not sure that is realistic. Nevertheless, I do believe it is best to use Cpap whenever asleep. I had an impromptu nap today, did not use cpap, and have a good headache as my reward.
Re: Use CPAP for naps?
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:49 pm
by lanco
For those of you that disagree with letting your head droop slightly forward to avoid apneas, go ahead do it your way. I don't care what the textbooks say, I can tell you I will continue to use what works for me. May not be ideal, BUT what are you and others going to do if you want or need to take a nap in a car seat or an jet seat? Best of luck to all. I'll continue to do what works for me. Note: when I finish a nap I generally always ask my wife if I had any gasping, choking sounds. And she tells me no, unless my head is not in the forward position. Done. Verified. End of MY story. Good luck to you all.
Re: Use CPAP for naps?
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:51 pm
by palerider
lanco wrote:For those of you that disagree with letting your head droop slightly forward to avoid apneas, go ahead do it your way. I don't care what the textbooks say, I can tell you I will continue to use what works for me.
"I don't care about facts or anatomy, I like my way".
that's fine for you, and if it works for you, ok... good enough.
as long as people realize that, for the most part, it's bad advice.
Re: Use CPAP for naps?
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:01 pm
by lanco
One last comment here. I do cause my lower jaw to go so far forward that my teeth that are normally in an under bite position to be in front of my upper teeth. If your anatomy allows you to do that it works. Try it now. If you let your head go forward and your teeth are in the normal underbite position you will feel some throat restriction. If you cause your bottom teeth to rest in front of your top teeth you've got an open airway. If that's still not enough stick your tongue forward and let your tongue rest between your teeth with some tongue sticking out between the teeth, then it's a wide open airway. OK? Test it out I think you'll like it. I'm sure this is not in any text book or course This is also true when I play trumpet. Jaw forward, good air flow, good sound. Jaw receded, poor air flow not so good of a sound.
Re: Use CPAP for naps?
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:27 pm
by Hang Fire
lanco wrote:Jaw forward, good air flow , Jaw receded, poor air flow
You ever heard of Mandibular Advancement Devices? It's fairly common knowledge that jutting the lower mandible out tends to open up the airway.
lanco wrote:The leaning forward of my head for me while sitting in a straight backed chair causes my jaw to fall forward
You must have had all the muscles and ligaments clipped away from your lower jaw.
I agree with the experience members - you are offering bad advice.
Do what you want with your naps, but bad advice should not go unchallenged here, lest some inexperienced person follow it and have a serious problem.
Re: Use CPAP for naps?
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:44 pm
by lanco
Hang Fire wrote:lanco wrote:Jaw forward, good air flow , Jaw receded, poor air flow
You ever heard of Mandibular Advancement Devices? It's fairly common knowledge that jutting the lower mandible out tends to open up the airway.
That is correct. That is essentially what I am doing here without the device.
lanco wrote:The leaning forward of my head for me while sitting in a straight backed chair causes my jaw to fall forward
You must have had all the muscles and ligaments clipped away from your lower jaw.
AH, no. where on earth did you come up with this?
I agree with the experience members - you are offering bad advice.
I've been doing this successfully for 16 years. I guess I'd call that the most experience here obviously with this technique.
Do what you want with your naps, but bad advice should not go unchallenged here, lest some inexperienced person follow it and have a serious problem.
I think you should try it before you say something you obviously have never tried or experienced.
Each person must sift through all this "stuff" on these forums and use what works.
Try it. If it works and it should if you do it as I have and you'll like it. If not do something that does work. Is this bad advice?
Re: Use CPAP for naps?
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:58 pm
by palerider
lanco wrote:Hang Fire wrote:lanco wrote:The leaning forward of my head for me while sitting in a straight backed chair causes my jaw to fall forward
You must have had all the muscles and ligaments clipped away from your lower jaw.
AH, no. where on earth did you come up with this?
because most peoples lower jaw doesn't flop around in the breeze like you describe.
lanco wrote:Hang Fire wrote:I agree with the experience members - you are offering bad advice.
I've been doing this successfully for 16 years. I guess I'd call that the most experience here obviously with this technique.
lots of people come up with crackpot things that
work for them. (or, at least, they think it does)
lanco wrote:Hang Fire wrote:Do what you want with your naps, but bad advice should not go unchallenged here, lest some inexperienced person follow it and have a serious problem.
I think you should try it before you say something you obviously have never tried or experienced.
I think I'll just stick to using my cpap for naps, instead of weird positions in chairs and hoping my jaw flops around like a dead fish, thankyouverymuch.
also, fixed up your horrible formatting.
someone asked me the other day if it was a full moon, since the crazies seem to be coming out... gotta say, I think they're right... must be getting close.
Re: Use CPAP for naps?
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:48 pm
by lanco
You know, I never said don't use a cpap. What I have mentioned here can be used in a car, jet, or at home sometimes, etc. And I will let it go at that. I'm sure those that are looking for other possible alternatives can see that this is worth trying. Or they can just gasp and choke. It's everybody's choice.
Re: Use CPAP for naps?
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:52 pm
by ChicagoGranny
lanco wrote: Along the same line of thought before I had a cpap my wife used to stick her finger in my mouth and pull out a little on my lower jaw to keep my airway open.
Poor Man's Mandibular Advancement Device
What if your wife falls asleep, and her finger loses its grip? You will start having apneas.
Re: Use CPAP for naps?
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:54 pm
by Chevie
lanco wrote:What I have mentioned here can be used in a car, jet, or at home sometimes, etc.
ChicagoGranny wrote:lanco wrote:
Along the same line of thought before I had a cpap my wife used to stick her finger in my mouth and pull out a little on my lower jaw to keep my airway open.
Those two must be a riot on long flights.
Re: Use CPAP for naps?
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:54 pm
by D.H.
conasauga wrote:In the beginning I used the machine all the time. Then when was I started struggling at night I gave up trying to use it during naps. Also my spouse disliked me having the CPAP next to my chair. I suspect the best thing would be to avoid naps and if necessary take them in bed. However, I am not sure that is realistic. Nevertheless, I do believe it is best to use CPAP whenever asleep. I had an impromptu nap today, did not use CPAP , and have a good headache as my reward.
You really have to remind your spouse that your health depends on CPAP usage (including during naps). Either lay down the law and bring the CPAP next to the chair, or take your nap in bed.
Re: Use CPAP for naps?
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 8:10 pm
by chunkyfrog
Note to any new people:
For your own good, please ignore any ignorant, misinformed posts by "guest".
Any poster unwilling to register may NOT be here to help anyone!
Re: Use CPAP for naps?
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 8:13 pm
by lanco
ChicagoGranny wrote:lanco wrote: Along the same line of thought before I had a cpap my wife used to stick her finger in my mouth and pull out a little on my lower jaw to keep my airway open.
Poor Man's Mandibular Advancement Device
What if your wife falls asleep, and her finger loses its grip? You will start having apneas.
Ah, that was 16 years ago before I had a cpap