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palerider wrote:

Omne wrote: What irritated me, and still does, isn't that What's her face added that it's individual or that settings are important, she posted that the experiences that people shared were simply "wrong".

well, good luck in your continued tilting at windmills while battling What's her face. I predict you'll have about as much luck, Don.

Like I said, I stopped reading her posts. I'm done with that particular windmill....

Omne wrote:

palerider wrote:

Omne wrote: What irritated me, and still does, isn't that What's her face added that it's individual or that settings are important, she posted that the experiences that people shared were simply "wrong".

well, good luck in your continued tilting at windmills while battling What's her face. I predict you'll have about as much luck, Don.

Like I said, I stopped reading her posts. I'm done with that particular windmill....

the question is, what're you going to tilt at next... and who's your sancho?

Omne wrote:

palerider wrote:

Omne wrote:

ChicagoGranny wrote:People who are good at analysis and problem solving understand that patients often ask the wrong questions. Accurately defining the problem is the first step in making improvements and finding solutions. In this case the problem has not been defined.

Truly amazing. The poster asks a question but you, in your wisdom, realize that you know what information he needs, not what he wants. It must be a terrible burden to know so much that you can decide what information to give them lest they receive the wrong information and perish..

much as I hate to admit it (:D) I have to agree, at least in principle, with Granny here...

people that don't know what they're doing *very often* ask questions based on their limited knowledge, and if you just answer their question, they end up with a very insufficient answer.

<sigh> I'm not disagreeing with that. If someone asks a technical question, or even a question that has a right or wrong answer I'll agree with you 100%. The problem in this case is that OP asked for people's personal experiences, not how to set a machine or how long it will take them to adjust. There is no right or wrong answer when asking people about their personal experiences or what they feel. What irritated me, and still does, isn't that What's her face added that it's individual or that settings are important, she posted that the experiences that people shared were simply "wrong". I could have stuck with it being a non-sequitur but her gratuitous negation of people's sharing pissed me off. That's why I decided there's little enough value that I've stopped bothering to read her posts.

I've spent my life in highly technical areas, first nuclear engineering and now as a Tax Manager running a bunch of CPAs and MBTs that do complex audits. I know how to deal with misdirected questions and, absent clarification from the OP, there was nothing to indicate this was one of them.

And the great accountants, when asked what 2+2 equals, reply with...."how much do you want it to equal?"

Fu@k you and the Rocinante you rode in on, Don Q !

All the hubbub appears to be rather moot as both Tripman and Elvis seem to have exited the building. Tripman has spent a grand total of 14 minutes on the board and has yet to return, according to his profile page.

palerider wrote:

Omne wrote:

palerider wrote:

Omne wrote: What irritated me, and still does, isn't that What's her face added that it's individual or that settings are important, she posted that the experiences that people shared were simply "wrong".

well, good luck in your continued tilting at windmills while battling What's her face. I predict you'll have about as much luck, Don.

Like I said, I stopped reading her posts. I'm done with that particular windmill....

the question is, what're you going to tilt at next... and who's your sancho?

Ah that would be telling.....

I'm still interviewing potential Sancho's

Gasper62 wrote: And the great accountants, when asked what 2+2 equals, reply with...."how much do you want it to equal?"

You don't know how close to truth that actually is.....

To all the folks who gave the OP honest answers based on their individual experiences, thank you. I was wondering the same thing ("How long . . . .") and found your answers to be extremely helpful.

As for all the bickering here and on other posts on this forum, sometimes it's amusing and interesting to view the banter (some friendly, some not so much). But I often wonder about the actual credentials of the people giving advice on CPAPtalk.com (and bickering among themselves). Obviously, Sleepyhead software is the choice of many here to analyze/diagnose people's sleep/therapy, but I wonder just what makes some people here qualified to accurately and correctly interpret that data (and do it better than the "other guy")? Are you Doctors? Therapists? Did you study this somewhere? Just curious.

To the OP; Personally, I still don't have a computer at home and therefore still have not accessed Sleepyhead. My limited experience with CPAP therapy so far is about 6 weeks. MyAir from Resmed (I know - just a toy to all the experts here, right??) scores are between 96 and 100 every night, no leakage, and my average AHI seems to be around 2. I feel better and more alert most of the time, though I still have a day here and there when I'm tired and foggy. Most mornings I still feel like I could sleep more (averaging a bit over 7 hours a night), but even when I do feel fairly rested, it's not the "jumping out of bed, ready to take on the world" feeling. I have talked to my Dr, and have sought info here and come to the conclusion that for me it's likely a long, slow improvement. I've probably had apnea for at least a couple decades (insomnia has been most of my adult life), so I'm sure it will take time to heal and repair my body and mind. So far, everything appears to be going well, and I'm fine with stickin' with it. Sleeping at night is awesome.

loghouse wrote:Did you study this somewhere?

loghouse wrote:Are you Doctors? Therapists?

The best advice comes from members who know doctors and therapists are not in good positions to help patients optimize their therapy. What doctors or therapists have the time to study each patient's charts and do a large amount of followup? What patients have the funds to pay them to spend this amount of time with them?

loghouse wrote:but even when I do feel fairly rested, it's not the "jumping out of bed, ready to take on the world" feeling. I have talked to my Dr, and have sought info here and come to the conclusion that for me it's likely a long, slow improvement.

CPAP will help you breathe at night. It will not make you sleep, and it will not make you feel energetic.

You seem to be doing well with the CPAP part of life. Now, on to the more difficult part ---->

- Practice good sleep hygiene (Google it and read several sources)
- Eat a good diet
- Have a regular, moderate exercise program
- Try to avoid daytime naps
- Practice total abstinence of caffeine including sources like chocolate (sigh)
- Review all medicines, vitamins and supplements you are taking to make sure none are interfering with sleep
- Use the bedroom for sleeping (and sex) only, and make sure the bedroom and bed are comfortable.
- Learn to appropriately handle emotional stress in your life
- Do not listen to your breathing or the sound of the machine as you are falling asleep.
- Distract your mind by thinking of a pleasant, relaxing activity that you enjoy. Thinking of sitting under an umbrella on a quiet beach with a warm gentle breeze works for me.
- Use CPAP software, such as the free SleepyHead, to make sure your therapy is optimized
- If you still don't feel or sleep well, make sure you have regular medical checkups to confirm there are no other medical problems

CG

Thanks, Chicago Granny . . .

I believe breathing at night goes a LOOOOOOOONG way to helping one sleep at night (sure seems that way to me, anyway). And I think sleep will eventually help me feel more energetic. Your tips are also wise. I'm working on many of them daily.

It will vaty by person and how severe your symptoms are.
For me ir was the mornong after my titration study.

Seeing the difference i fought very hard to get a machine asap instead of the 6 to 8 weeks i was quoted.