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For those too young to remember, Legionnaire's was discovered ? 40 yrs ago when a convention at a hotel saw a lot of the 'guests' come down with pneumonia-like symptoms, and only after investigation of the hotel's systems was a 'new' bug found growing in the A/C units - whether they'd been properly cleaned or not at some time I don't remember, or if it was even relevant - normal and adequate cleaning itself not always being a culprit, especially where a new virus or bacteria is involved.

You're arguing for the sake of argument now, though, and I think need to come back down to reality... e.g. when's the last time anyone read/heard the news of an outbreak of any illness due to use of Cpaps, clean or otherwise?

The fact is that whatever is in your home cannot get into the machines or masks in such a way as to affect you unless it was brought in from outside as any 'bug' would be... and it would make you sick long before it went through the machine (probably a lot cleaner than the room itself because of the filters on and in it). Get some perspective, pick your brains off the floor and stop being silly!

Today's Quiz

Who said this ----->

Studies have shown that even a seemingly thorough cleaning of CPAP equipment can still leave behind much in the way of germs and bacteria. The older the equipment, the harder it becomes to really deep clean your mask, hose, and humidifier. The result of such a bacterial build-up can be sinus and respiratory problems...

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We'll all die.

Germophobes are such fun to mess with.

chunkyfrog wrote:Germophobes are such fun to mess with.

+1

ChicagoGranny wrote:We'll all die.

Well, I suppose. Hope it's later rather than sooner. I have so much to do and so many things to accomplish.

Gasper62 wrote:

Wulfman... wrote:According to the Fisher & Paykel Healthcare site, water vapor is 0.0001 microns.
Too small to carry bacteria or viruses out of the HH tank.


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So. They don't need to be if they're borne by the airflow itself. The air only passes over the water's surface, it's not scrubbed and turbulated through the water like an old oil-bath air cleaner of yore. If anything starts to bloom in the moist environment of the tube, the resulting spores will have an easy ride on the prevailing "wind".

Nope!
Spores from WHAT? Stuff that's already in your dwelling that you're breathing the rest of the day?
They'll fall into the water and stay there.
I've never said "NEVER clean your equipment".
It's not like we don't frequently add water to the HH tank. Even using "passover" mode, my water level drops significantly.
The heat from heating the water should kill the "pathogens" (according to F&P).

http://www.fphcare.com/sleep-apnea/educ ... port/faqs/


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chunkyfrog wrote:Germophobes are such fun to mess with.

Definitely!


Den

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Jay Aitchsee wrote:This business of hose cleaning reminds me of the arguments for and against home air duct cleaning. Here's part of what the EPA has to say about that.

http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/airduct.html wrote: Duct cleaning has never been shown to actually prevent health problems. Neither do studies conclusively demonstrate that particle (e.g., dust) levels in homes increase because of dirty air ducts...

You should consider having the air ducts in your home cleaned if:

1. There is substantial visible mold growth...
   Ducts are infested with vermin...
   Ducts are clogged with excessive amounts of dust and debris...

I think these guidelines might apply equally well to blower hoses, I would say especially if you have a vermin infestation.

In 8 years I've never cleaned a hose, although I did get a couple of new ones when I bought new machines.

ChicagoGranny wrote:Today's Quiz

Who said this ----->

Studies have shown that even a seemingly thorough cleaning of CPAP equipment can still leave behind much in the way of germs and bacteria. The older the equipment, the harder it becomes to really deep clean your mask, hose, and humidifier. The result of such a bacterial build-up can be sinus and respiratory problems...

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People who offer a similar service (or in this case, product) as those who recommend AC duct cleaning.

Wulfman... wrote:

Gasper62 wrote:

Wulfman... wrote:According to the Fisher & Paykel Healthcare site, water vapor is 0.0001 microns.
Too small to carry bacteria or viruses out of the HH tank.


Den

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So. They don't need to be if they're borne by the airflow itself. The air only passes over the water's surface, it's not scrubbed and turbulated through the water like an old oil-bath air cleaner of yore. If anything starts to bloom in the moist environment of the tube, the resulting spores will have an easy ride on the prevailing "wind".

Nope!
Spores from WHAT? Stuff that's already in your dwelling that you're breathing the rest of the day?
They'll fall into the water and stay there.
I've never said "NEVER clean your equipment".
It's not like we don't frequently add water to the HH tank. Even using "passover" mode, my water level drops significantly.
The heat from heating the water should kill the "pathogens" (according to F&P).

http://www.fphcare.com/sleep-apnea/educ ... port/faqs/


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I guess that you're simply incapable of grasping the concept of toxic mold, where it can grow, how a larger concentration is gonna' be way more harmful than what is normally inhaled from "healthy" room air. I'll not try to dissuade you from clinging to your firmly held beliefs any further. Ya want some cheese to go with those cultures ?

Gasper62 wrote:

Wulfman... wrote:

Gasper62 wrote:

Wulfman... wrote:According to the Fisher & Paykel Healthcare site, water vapor is 0.0001 microns.
Too small to carry bacteria or viruses out of the HH tank.


Den

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So. They don't need to be if they're borne by the airflow itself. The air only passes over the water's surface, it's not scrubbed and turbulated through the water like an old oil-bath air cleaner of yore. If anything starts to bloom in the moist environment of the tube, the resulting spores will have an easy ride on the prevailing "wind".

Nope!
Spores from WHAT? Stuff that's already in your dwelling that you're breathing the rest of the day?
They'll fall into the water and stay there.
I've never said "NEVER clean your equipment".
It's not like we don't frequently add water to the HH tank. Even using "passover" mode, my water level drops significantly.
The heat from heating the water should kill the "pathogens" (according to F&P).

http://www.fphcare.com/sleep-apnea/educ ... port/faqs/


Den

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I guess that you're simply incapable of grasping the concept of toxic mold, where it can grow, how a larger concentration is gonna' be way more harmful than what is normally inhaled from "healthy" room air. I'll not try to dissuade you from clinging to your firmly held beliefs any further. Ya want some cheese to go with those cultures ?

There are (good and bad) germs and bacteria in/on virtually everything. Bacteria helps us digest our food.
The more we're exposed to (theoretically) helps our immune systems.

As far as my equipment......
I've never "cleaned" a hose (still using the same two I started with) in over 11 years. Every few years I fill them up with hot water to check for leaks.......and since I've found none, I keep using them.
I use "passover" (cool) humidification and about every 2 1/2 months when I start a new gallon of distilled, I dump and rinse my tank with hot water and then fill it back up again with distilled (which I store in smaller containers in the fridge).
In 11+ years, I've actually taken my (original) HH tank apart and cleaned it (with Dawn dishwashing liquid and soft sponge) a total of twice. Still looks like new.

In my environment, I have no idea where I'd look for "toxic mold", what it would actually look like or how I'd identify it. So, no, I guess I'm incapable of grasping that concept.

I'm still alive and each day I wake up, I get another chance.


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Pretty much anywhere that air and water can meet up is where mold can be found. I absolutely love a piece of Roquefort...... when I can afford it. https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=toxic+mold

People always talk like mold is a deadly killer. If that were the case, nobody would be left alive here in Southwest Florida.
See what the CDC has to say here.

Jay Aitchsee wrote:People always talk like mold is a deadly killer. If that were the case, nobody would be left alive here in Southwest Florida.
See what the CDC has to say here.

some mold is quite tasty, and healthy.