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PEF wrote:Frankly, rather than taking everything off the nightstand and putting it on the face, as this device attempts to do, I would like almost everything OFF the face and on the nightstand, with an extremely tiny interface to my nose and throat. I definitely would want all straps and buckles to go.

Exactly! I don't want MORE stuff on my face, I want LESS stuff on my face. The issue is not the hose or the machine, but what's on my face. I really don't see how anyone could sleep with that contraption on their face.

And a lot of folks have claustrophobia with their masks. They would probably run for the hills if they had to wear this thing.

WearyOne wrote:

PEF wrote:Frankly, rather than taking everything off the nightstand and putting it on the face, as this device attempts to do, I would like almost everything OFF the face and on the nightstand, with an extremely tiny interface to my nose and throat. I definitely would want all straps and buckles to go.

Exactly! I don't want MORE stuff on my face, I want LESS stuff on my face. The issue is not the hose or the machine, but what's on my face. I really don't see how anyone could sleep with that contraption on their face.

And a lot of folks have claustrophobia with their masks. They would probably run for the hills if they had to wear this thing.

I definitely couldn't but the company isn't obviously listening in spite of multiple complaints about the same issue. I guess their priority is ripping off folks and spamming as many apnea boards as possible.

49er

That contraption reminds me of another one from classic cinema. ~~ https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=na ... n+optigrab

In all seriousness.

(Wait, did I just say that?)

I respect the innovative nature of exploring a different approach and solving engineering issues along the way.

And let's face it. The first time The Father of CPAP explained gluing/taping hoses to human faces (there weren't yet any masks) at one end and backward vacuum motors at the other end, everyone thought he was an idiot too. But refinements led to the wondrous miracle machines of human health we all (ok, most) are using now.

So if we use a little imagination, we can imagine this Airmony thingy eventually being about one quarter of the size it is now and maybe weighing about what a present-day ffm weighs now, and then they may actually have a thing. It is the punctuated equilibrium of the permutations along the way that look ridiculous. That's just part of the process.

As for the manner of raising money for it, it is hard to fault them, since that is what raising money has become these days. No overblown claims? I'm sorry. No soup for you.

Again, comparing it all to the early days of CPAP, the decision was made early on with CPAP (eventually, but early) to get the medical people involved and to turn the whole thing into a cash cow for sleep docs, sleep clinics/centers, DMEs, AND manufacturers in order to get the thing afloat and keep it afloat. It is still stupid expensive because of that, but hey, at least it exists and there is an industry (aka cartel) supporting the "diagnosis," distribution, and maintenance of it all. Otherwise, it would never have gotten off the ground in the first place. It almost didn't. Any of it. People don't support innovation out of the goodness of their hearts--they have to believe there's an easy way to get rich with it. You only have so much time in front of the investment sharks before the next guy with an idea who is in line for the reality show comes along.

So, although I enjoy making fun of Airmony (that's what I do), deep down I have to say that I essentially respect what the Airmony people are trying to do, despite their insane claims and whacky, badly-translated copy. If their efforts one day end up providing something that is useful to someone, just one person, in the quest for better sleep, more power and bucks to them.

Just none of mine.

jnk... wrote:People don't support innovation out of the goodness of their hearts--they have to believe there's an easy way to get rich with it. You only have so much time in front of the investment sharks before the next one in line for the reality show comes along.

Do you get all your great knowledge about investment and business management from Shark Tank on ABC-TV?

Setj wrote:

jnk... wrote:People don't support innovation out of the goodness of their hearts--they have to believe there's an easy way to get rich with it. You only have so much time in front of the investment sharks before the next one in line for the reality show comes along.

Do you get all your great knowledge about investment and business management from Shark Tank on ABC-TV?

No. I get it from the history of CPAP, a fascinating story.

However, I do applaud your ability to identify one modern-day cultural reference in what I wrote. Think maybe you can figure out some of the others?

BTW, Vanguard says my stock in the Brooklyn Bridge is up 1.15% today. Pretty proud of that. (Oops. Make that 1.13%. Blasted after-hours traders!) (No, wait, make that 1.18% WooHoo!)

Setj wrote:

jnk... wrote:People don't support innovation out of the goodness of their hearts--they have to believe there's an easy way to get rich with it. You only have so much time in front of the investment sharks before the next one in line for the reality show comes along.

Do you get all your great knowledge about investment and business management from Shark Tank on ABC-TV?

I love Shark Tank!!

49er wrote:

WearyOne wrote:

PEF wrote:Frankly, rather than taking everything off the nightstand and putting it on the face, as this device attempts to do, I would like almost everything OFF the face and on the nightstand, with an extremely tiny interface to my nose and throat. I definitely would want all straps and buckles to go.

Exactly! I don't want MORE stuff on my face, I want LESS stuff on my face. The issue is not the hose or the machine, but what's on my face. I really don't see how anyone could sleep with that contraption on their face.

And a lot of folks have claustrophobia with their masks. They would probably run for the hills if they had to wear this thing.

I definitely couldn't but the company isn't obviously listening in spite of multiple complaints about the same issue. I guess their priority is ripping off folks and spamming as many apnea boards as possible.

49er

Hello 49er,

First of all, let me tell you we are working on all the feedback we are getting from you. We designed Airmony especially for people who travel and found the hose somehow annoying. Having the device in front of your face gives us the possibility to monitor parameters such as temperature, pressure, humidity or sense head's position. It is our view, that the hose is an element that is not contributing in any way to a better functionality rather the opposite.

We are aware of the problem of having such device in front of your face. We are working on making it as small as we can. New design will be soon available for you to see.

Thank you very much, we appreciate your contributions!

Several terms come to mind: dental realignment, jawbone deterioration, TMJ, LAWSUITS.
The only winners are the lawyers.
My check is NOT in the mail; nor will it be.

TBIOM TEAM wrote:the possibility to monitor parameters such as temperature, pressure, humidity or sense head's position

This is probably neither here nor there, but many of us require lower pressures when we roll to our sides as compared to sleeping on our backs. I have long thought an accelerometer (position indicator), somewhere on the body and connected to the machine, could be used to lower the pressure when the patient rolls to the side.

Good luck with your work.

chunkyfrog wrote:Several terms come to mind: dental realignment, jawbone deterioration, TMJ, LAWSUITS.
The only winners are the lawyers.
My check is NOT in the mail; nor will it be.

Yes when I think how tight the straps have to be in order for all that weight to stay in place, my neck hurts and my jaw clenches up.

I could use my P10 with a Z1 (put the itty bitty blower on the end table--where it BELONGS)
--and pin a teensy accelerometer to my headgear, or put it under a band aid.
How would I spend the other $1200 +/-? Donate to scammers in Spain? Yeah, right!
Does somebody have a phobia about hoses? Hose management, hose cozies, no googly eyes, please.

Things change. Early computers. Early cell phones. Early CPAP. Early Airmony monster masks. Ya gotta start somewhere.

"The first commercial renditions of the CPAP machine weighed nearly 14 pounds and the 240 volt battery made the machine so loud it needed to be housed in another room." -- http://www.easybreathe.com/blog/cpap-hi ... m-cleaner/

"Following his experience with masks glued to dog’s noses, Sullivan’s next human mask development started with the making of a plaster cast of each patient’s nose. From this, a fibreglass cover was made to precisely fit over each individual nose. Air inlets and outlets were then fitted to a manifold that was attached to the fibreglass nose cover to form a mask. Each night this was glued over the nose with silicone adhesive. In the morning the whole mask was peeled off and cleaned for reuse. Three hundred and fifty patients were treated successfully with the glue-on mask."--http://www.resmed.com/us/dam/documents/ ... rigins.pdf

TBIOM TEAM wrote:

49er wrote:

WearyOne wrote:

PEF wrote:Frankly, rather than taking everything off the nightstand and putting it on the face, as this device attempts to do, I would like almost everything OFF the face and on the nightstand, with an extremely tiny interface to my nose and throat. I definitely would want all straps and buckles to go.

Exactly! I don't want MORE stuff on my face, I want LESS stuff on my face. The issue is not the hose or the machine, but what's on my face. I really don't see how anyone could sleep with that contraption on their face.

And a lot of folks have claustrophobia with their masks. They would probably run for the hills if they had to wear this thing.

I definitely couldn't but the company isn't obviously listening in spite of multiple complaints about the same issue. I guess their priority is ripping off folks and spamming as many apnea boards as possible.

49er

Hello 49er,

First of all, let me tell you we are working on all the feedback we are getting from you. We designed Airmony especially for people who travel and found the hose somehow annoying. Having the device in front of your face gives us the possibility to monitor parameters such as temperature, pressure, humidity or sense head's position. It is our view, that the hose is an element that is not contributing in any way to a better functionality rather the opposite.

We are aware of the problem of having such device in front of your face. We are working on making it as small as we can. New design will be soon available for you to see.

Thank you very much, we appreciate your contributions!

Simple solution, use models with very big heads..... Jim or Photochop.

Goofproof wrote: . .. Simple solution, use models with very big heads..... Jim or Photochop.

Aw, come on, Jim. Your head isn't THAT big.