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Actually, everyone has a point or two at least. Could it have been said nicer, well sure. Do I understand Paleriders point, well sure, he has a darn good point.

I know we are all experts in physics, math, and engineering and we can figure out what everyone did wrong in their designs and in addition we can figure out what their cost structure is and if they are making more profit then they should.

Just saying. Sometimes we need to get over ourselves, myself included

As for the OP question. so CPAP is not scuba gear. If you plant you face in a pillow WITHOUT a mask on what happens, why should a mask have to provide life support if you do the same thing?
At least the mask will be bring in some fresh air.

It does always make me wonder when someone is harsh on the internet if they are the same in person? and if not why not. I personally know some one that loves to troll the internet and get people all wound up, in person he is a really nice guy

palerider wrote:

OKCSleepDoc wrote:Palerider, you are a god damn jack ass who really makes me question whether I should continue to encourage patients to come to this forum.

it's entirely up to you, 'doc' as to whether you recommend people come to what is arguably the best site for cpap information on the net, or not. what kind of service do you want to provide?

OKCSleepDoc wrote:You should try to make this a more welcoming environment for those new and old to cpap

this forum is what it is. the fact that I call 'em like I see 'em in no way detracts from the efficacy of this forum, nor the dissemination of information that it provides.

the person you're proxying your effrontery for came here, professing to be a knowledgeable DME, then proceeded to post nearly incomprehensible gobbledygook about masks... and is now questioning the engineering of the new mask from respironics, whether it can work as designed.

this kind of stuff is *misleading* to people that don't know any better, and *NEEDS* to be called out and refuted.

do you want your patients coming in saying "I read on the internet how this new dreamware mask doesn't work right"? because, if it's on the internet, it's gospel, at least in some people's eyes.

if you don't like me, and my style, and my quest for *correct information* then I suggest you can take advantage of the 'foe' button, so your sensibilities aren't offended anymore.

I wouldn't put you as a foe. I enjoy responding to your posts too much.

I already provide excellent service, this forum really does not add or detract from the services I provide in anyway. In fact, any of the questions posed here could be asked and answered by me to my patients any day of the week.

The forum does contain a great deal of useful information. The downside is that you often advise patients to not discuss matters with their physician. I am not sure I agree with that approach. A professional computer geek like yourself may sit on IRC all day and troll these forums, but a board certified sleep doc is better able to monitor and address a patients symptoms and concerns.

I don't think the op actually stated that the mask was not well designed, or questioned whether it works as designed. He merely asked a question about C02 retention. I also went back and I don't believe he ever professed himself to be a DME. in fact he stated that he worked with pap patients and wanted to try to be a part of the discussion both in posing questions as well as providing solutions to others that come to this forum.

You professed him to be a DME. you also believe his posting on masks is gobbledygook. While you were busy filling up your mask with water to determine volume, other individuals were interested in his observations. In fact, there can be issues with CO2 retention with pap masks. This issue is actually highlighted in a recent review by Javaheri regarding the Resmed ASV trial that was just published this week. You can be brash as you want when you respond, but I'm going to call your dumbass knowledge of sleep as it is as well and call you out as well. Happy Sunday!

I'm on the autism spectrum, and often had a very odd formal way of interacting-- but I am in my 60s now and not my 20s, so I have learned a lot more about asking questions and commenting without sounding like I had just read and digested some engineering digest whole. But not all of us have learned to interact like that. Not sure if cpap guy is on the spectrum, but I did not take the comment (or is it a question) as a criticism of Repironics (nor did he since he states he likes that mask and uses it). I am not at all backed off of wanting to try Dreamwear as the first mask. The other thing did not take the whole thing on masks in a negative way. Just felt someone being helpful (or trying to be, while actually not being). In fact I made a little bit of fun of it as I recall. But I think coming from where I do, I did not quite read the comments as being "malevolent" or hurtful. Also I did not take it as trolling. To me trolling is intentionally setting off a very provocative question or statement-- and the key is "intentionally". I am a moderator of a very large group on FB, so I think I know a thing or two about intentional provocation.

Anyway that's my 2 1/2¢.

+1 to the last two posts. very well said. Enjoy the last day of the weekend, everyone.

OKCSleepDoc wrote:The downside is that you often advise patients to not discuss matters with their physician.

please, oh PLEASE cite posts where I've advised people (since it's "often" it shouldn't be any challenge at all) to NOT talk to their physician. otherwise, I'll expect an apology for your libel.

OKCSleepDoc wrote: I also went back and I don't believe he ever professed himself to be a DME. You professed him to be a DME.

is the rest of your garbage this well researched?

thecpapguy! wrote:So let me get this right - I've worked in the DME field for a little over a decade with CPAP therapy and now I work in a clinic under a sleep specialist as a respiratory assistant.

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OKCSleepDoc wrote:you also believe his posting on masks is gobbledygook.

please apply your prodigious intellect and explain this:

thecpapguy! wrote:This style has progressed greatly in the technology applied in the recent four to five years offering a great number of masks on the market that are much lighter and more conventional for the more modern style of CPAP machine's available to patients.

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