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Re: Honey before bed for good sleep?
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:26 pm
by BlackSpinner
Why does it have to be raw? There is no nutritional difference between raw and pasteurized. And who wants to get deadly food poisoning from raw honey?
Because most "pasteurized" honey is adulterated with sugar water.
The only people who have problems with raw honey are newborns and people with immune system issues.
However if you have allergies watch out for honey because bees can feed off plants that you react to.
Re: Honey before bed for good sleep?
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:45 pm
by hpm08161947
BlackSpinner wrote:Why does it have to be raw? There is no nutritional difference between raw and pasteurized. And who wants to get deadly food poisoning from raw honey?
Because most "pasteurized" honey is adulterated with sugar water.
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As well as being heated (Not Good) in order to pass through filters to remove the natural pollens....... thus keeping the honey from ever solidifying.
Re: Honey before bed for good sleep?
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:04 pm
by palerider
Mynah wrote:make sure your honey is raw and organic, since most grocery store brands are imported
Why does it have to be raw? There is no nutritional difference between raw and pasteurized. And who wants to get deadly food poisoning from raw honey?
before spreading your FUD, you
might want to spend a few seconds googling:
Sue Bee Honey wrote:Why pasteurize honey?
Pasteurizing honey is a very different thing than pasteurizing milk or other dairy products, and it’s done for very different reasons. Because of its low moisture content and high acidity, bacteria and other harmful organisms cannot live or reproduce in honey, so pasteurization is not done for that purpose. One of the few things that can live in honey is yeast, although if the moisture content is below 18% (as it normally is), the yeast cells cannot reproduce. All nectar (the source for all honey) contains osmophilic yeasts, which can reproduce in higher-moisture content honey and cause fermentation. While fermented honey does not necessarily pose any health risk, we try to discourage it, so Bee Maid pasteurizes its honey to kill any latent yeast cells that might be present and to remove any chance of fermentation.
Another side benefit of pasteurizing honey is that it will slow down the granulation process. Pasteurized honey will last longer in its liquid state than unpasteurized honey, which makes for a more appealing-looking product for both retailers and consumers.
emphasis mine.
Re: Honey before bed for good sleep?
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:24 pm
by hpm08161947
palerider wrote:Mynah wrote:make sure your honey is raw and organic, since most grocery store brands are imported
Why does it have to be raw? There is no nutritional difference between raw and pasteurized. And who wants to get deadly food poisoning from raw honey?
before spreading your FUD, you
might want to spend a few seconds googling:
Sue Bee Honey wrote:Why pasteurize honey?
Pasteurizing honey is a very different thing than pasteurizing milk or other dairy products, and it’s done for very different reasons. Because of its low moisture content and high acidity, bacteria and other harmful organisms cannot live or reproduce in honey, so pasteurization is not done for that purpose. One of the few things that can live in honey is yeast, although if the moisture content is below 18% (as it normally is), the yeast cells cannot reproduce. All nectar (the source for all honey) contains osmophilic yeasts, which can reproduce in higher-moisture content honey and cause fermentation. While fermented honey does not necessarily pose any health risk, we try to discourage it, so Bee Maid pasteurizes its honey to kill any latent yeast cells that might be present and to remove any chance of fermentation.
Another side benefit of pasteurizing honey is that it will slow down the granulation process. Pasteurized honey will last longer in its liquid state than unpasteurized honey, which makes for a more appealing-looking product for both retailers and consumers.
emphasis mine.
Fermented honey only occurs when honey is harvested before it has cured. Which basically means processing uncapped honey comb...... a real no no. I've never seen fermented honey and I was once a commercial beekeeper. Guess Bee Maid will buy almost anything..... another reason to buy raw. BTW.... another reason for Pasturization is to remove the pollen and therefore make it impossible to trace the source of the honey..... China?..... Vietnam?
Re: Honey before bed for good sleep?
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:48 pm
by Susie Kay
Good grief. Eating honey before bed? Never have, never will.
Re: Honey before bed for good sleep?
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:55 pm
by chunkyfrog
Good idea to note that brand name honey could be from ANYWHERE (multinational company--duh!),
and could very well be ADULTERATED with who knows what. Local apiaries produce higher quality honey,
as can be determined by the TASTE. Yes, there is a difference you can tell. Avoid the big companies!
Re: Honey before bed for good sleep?
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:05 pm
by palerider
hpm08161947 wrote:Fermented honey only occurs when honey is harvested before it has cured. Which basically means processing uncapped honey comb...... a real no no. I've never seen fermented honey and I was once a commercial beekeeper. Guess Bee Maid will buy almost anything..... another reason to buy raw. BTW.... another reason for Pasturization is to remove the pollen and therefore make it impossible to trace the source of the honey..... China?..... Vietnam?
speaking of beekeeping, have you seen this:
http://www.honeyflow.com/ ??
my great grandfather used to keep a couple dozen by his house, I remember wandering around out there with the bees, only got stung once, when one flew into my face and got stuck under my eyeglasses and got scared.... stung me on the nose.
Re: Honey before bed for good sleep?
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:06 pm
by palerider
Susie Kay wrote:Good grief. Eating honey before bed? Never have, never will.
good to see you've got an open mind
Re: Honey before bed for good sleep?
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:17 pm
by Susie Kay
palerider wrote:Susie Kay wrote:Good grief. Eating honey before bed? Never have, never will.
good to see you've got an open mind
You mean closed mouth don't you?
You would do well to close your mouth some. (Figuratively speaking, like in quit posting all over the forum just to be a pest.)
Re: Honey before bed for good sleep?
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:21 pm
by hpm08161947
palerider wrote:hpm08161947 wrote:Fermented honey only occurs when honey is harvested before it has cured. Which basically means processing uncapped honey comb...... a real no no. I've never seen fermented honey and I was once a commercial beekeeper. Guess Bee Maid will buy almost anything..... another reason to buy raw. BTW.... another reason for Pasturization is to remove the pollen and therefore make it impossible to trace the source of the honey..... China?..... Vietnam?
speaking of beekeeping, have you seen this:
http://www.honeyflow.com/ ??
my great grandfather used to keep a couple dozen by his house, I remember wandering around out there with the bees, only got stung once, when one flew into my face and got stuck under my eyeglasses and got scared.... stung me on the nose.
Sure.... I wouldn't invest in it...... bees have got to be all over it. But might be fun for a guy with 1 hive......
Re: Honey before bed for good sleep?
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:28 pm
by palerider
Susie Kay wrote:palerider wrote:Susie Kay wrote:Good grief. Eating honey before bed? Never have, never will.
good to see you've got an open mind
You mean closed mouth don't you?
You would do well to close your mouth some. (Figuratively speaking, like in quit posting all over the forum just to be a pest.)
yours seems to be flapping, with nothing useful coming out...
Re: Honey before bed for good sleep?
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 3:10 pm
by DeepFriedDuck
Here is one example of what scientists and farmers have to deal with that is coming from the natural-is-better crowd.
This was a post on the wall of Food Babe (Vani Hari). The poster name has been deleted to protect her identity. You can see the poster has done her own experiment and she experienced bad health effects from eating GMO wheat.
But there is a problem. There is no such thing as GMO wheat. GMO wheat is in the experimental stage but none has ever been sold commercially.
Unfortunately, over 1,000 people posted in support of the poster and a few thousand read it, before the Food Babe realized what a crock it was and took it off her page. Sad, most of those people that read it remain convinced that "GMO wheat" and GMOs in general are bad.
