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It's very unlikely that vegetables are the CAUSE of your "sensitive tummy". The sensitive tummy when you eat veggies is more likely a SYMPTOM of a larger problem called Small Intestine Bacterial Overgrowth, or SIBO. It's a complicated issue, but goes hand in hand with a "leaky gut". Grains and inflammatory oils start the problem, but once the damage is underway your ability to tolerate certain foods (especially FODMAPS) and fibers is next.

If you can't tolerate veggies you are missing out on important micronutrients, anti-oxidants, and more--all things that help us optimize health and reduce inflammation. It's essential to heal your gut. No better time than now!

Check this out: http://digestivehealthinstitute.org/fast-tract-diet/
(I'm not meaning to make this a commercial for Norman Robillard, you can get his books at the library and don't need to purchase anything--it's all laid out in his books).

If you want to reduce inflammation, it begins and end with the gut.

(I used to think all this gut health stuff was nonsense. I was stupid wrong).

Janknitz is correct, and says it much better than I could.

Vitamin D level is very important and you did not mention what your "normal" level was.

I take almost 20,000 iu of Vitamin D daily to maintain a level of 74 ng/ml which is what I consider near optimal for me. The government and medical mafia consider 30 normal.

I also take a probiotic 4 or 5 times a week in an effort to maintain a healthy gut. The reduction in sugar intake probably helps the gut as well.

There is lots of stuff you can do to lower it.


1. vitamin C.
2. cranberry juice.
3. hormone replacement (if you have low-t).
4. Decrease saturated fat intake.
5. Introduce a healthy diet.
6. avoid allergenic foods.
7. Get treated with cpap

corvallisgrace75 wrote:

Darth Lady wrote:My CRP has gone all the way down from 10 to 8. We still have no idea why it's so high, but I seem to have neurological and/or muscular problems (although apparently not MS) that could be driving it up. And the zebra hunt continues....

Darth Lady, what have you been told (other than MS possibly driving it up?) Do you have any suspicions as to what it might be? Mine was at 14.5 when last checked. I can understand a very, VERY high value for arthritis where it's clear that there is inflammation in the joints. But more general inflammation is concerning, even if 14.5 is in my personal range of "normal". I know stressing about these things doesn't help. But it's more about the stress of feeling like a doctor isn't doing something when they could be. How easily they brush things off. Once upon a time, I'd let it go and move on. But not when I'm not feeling well. If everything causes everything, then something can be done to affect something. It's whether someone is willing to explore that "something" that makes the difference in my mind. Good luck to you, Darth Lady!

Thanks for the good wishes! I do have a neurologist who is concerned, and hopefully we'll eventually figure out what is causing this. It's just a slow process of elimination, because there is no "smoking gun" for so many of these conditions.

My cardiologist (who ran the first CRP test) was convinced I was going to drop dead on him from a heart attack at any minute, as I had so many other "official" risk factors for heart disease. Not a trace of coronary artery disease, although I have a worsening arrhythmia.

I agree with the various posters' comments about the importance of diet - while it hasn't lowered my CRP substantially, cutting processed carbs, eating more veggies, correcting my gut flora (which eating veggies helps to do - particularly the nice fibery ones which are "prebiotics" on which your "probiotics" get to munch), etc. has helped me to lose over 40 pounds so far and have better blood sugar control. One caveat - I haven't seen convincing evidence that saturated fat has any causal relationship to anything. I do think the evidence shows it is more helpful to avoid omega-6 fats, which is what you tend to end up eating when you cut out sat fat. And grass-fed/pasture raised is definitely the better way to go - when we eat feedlot beef and chickenhouse raised fowl (and now, farmed fish, which are also eating grain!) we are essentially eating what they ate - which is little improvement over just eating all that grain (with its omega-6 fats), antibiotics, etc. ourselves!

Moderation in all things! And good luck!

Janknitz wrote:It's very unlikely that vegetables are the CAUSE of your "sensitive tummy". The sensitive tummy when you eat veggies is more likely a SYMPTOM of a larger problem called Small Intestine Bacterial Overgrowth, or SIBO. It's a complicated issue, but goes hand in hand with a "leaky gut". Grains and inflammatory oils start the problem, but once the damage is underway your ability to tolerate certain foods (especially FODMAPS) and fibers is next.

If you can't tolerate veggies you are missing out on important micronutrients, anti-oxidants, and more--all things that help us optimize health and reduce inflammation. It's essential to heal your gut. No better time than now!

Check this out: http://digestivehealthinstitute.org/fast-tract-diet/
(I'm not meaning to make this a commercial for Norman Robillard, you can get his books at the library and don't need to purchase anything--it's all laid out in his books).

If you want to reduce inflammation, it begins and end with the gut.

(I used to think all this gut health stuff was nonsense. I was stupid wrong).

I love vegetables, no doubt about it. They're the first thing I eat when I go to dinner! Veggies of every color-- I love them! I just can't eat too much. Case in point, I don't overdo it on the kale. I'm fully aware that the veggies aren't the cause of my sensitive stomach. My stomach is sensitive, which makes it harder for it to process. At the height of my digestive problems, I had every test and saw every doctor in the book for over 2 years. Of course, they never mention things like stress, diet, etc. But I completely understand that things like processed foods, refined sugars, etc. contributes to the growth of unhealthy bacteria in the stomach. At the height of my stomach problems, I was able to take probiotics. There are some very potent brands out there. I wish I could remember the name of what I took now. But it didn't help with stomach pain.

Fast forward 5 years. I am very, very sensitive. I have to take half a dose of anything, and even by the second day I'm feeling very, very off. So I have to be gentle-- with everything. That doesn't mean not eating vegetables or not taking probiotics-- it means finding a happy medium that works for my body. While I know that holistic medicine is generally frowned upon by many in this forum, my naturopath gave me better information about a healthy diet than any doctor/dietitian I ever went to. And laugh if you wish (some do), but I live in Los Angeles. So there's a lot of hyper-consciousness here about eating a clean, whole foods diet. I eat a lot more cleanly that I used to. When organic, grass-fed, vegan, soy-free, dairy free, gluten free, fair trade, etc, etc. is all around you, you end up eating some of it by default.

I would never take more than 2,000 IUs of Vitamin D per day. In many of the articles I've read, I've noticed that the hype about Vitamin D has decreased. Which seems strange, because it could be a real money maker if they kept up with the recent hysteria about it. I'm curious to know why the medical mafia (haha!) would consider 30 normal. If anything, I think they'd consider 100 normal so that they could justify prescribing meds to anyone who fell below that level. 30 seems pretty reasonable. Bwexler, do you have any studies demonstrating the benefits of taking 20,000 IUs of Vitamin D per day? Just curious.

No one has recommended a specific dose. Numerous doctors including my friend Dr. LADD MCNAMARA, Dr Steven Sinatra, and several other recommend a blood level between 50 and 80 for vitamin D. I have been testing for 5 years and have been gradually increasing my dose until I my test results got to 74 which is where I want to be.