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Papit wrote:In both of my S9 machines, an error message displays, " Invalid SD card, erase card data? Yes/No?" FlashPAP tells me my machine "Could not find expected folder" -- e.g., a "Datalog" folder in one response, a "P-series" folder in another. Not surprising as neither machine wants to recognize or write to the card for some reason. I don't know why another brand card would work any better. Any ideas?

I experience the same thing in my S9 VPAP Adapt. What I end up having to do is setup the card using Sleep Master and transfer the data using FlashPAP. Sleep Master will not read/transfer data from the card once it is set up and has data on it for some reason, but FlashPAP will. FlashPAP will not set up the card properly on it own. Very strange, but at least between the two programs I can get it to work.

Thanks for the support and insightful comments. After rebooting and walking through the process, it now works properly. If anyone wants to do this and is average in "tech-ness" (or less, as in my case!), here's a non-systems analyst’s list of instructions written, I hope, in plain English. Do let me know if you see any snags and I'll be happy to make any needed updates.

Setup: Wireless SD Card Data-Transfer to SleepyHead
The following is a copy of my log that I use for setting up a Wireless SD memory card in my xpap machine so that it can record and wirelessly transfer sleep data to SleepyHead.
The steps below continue to be edited based on experimenting and collaboration with others. Thanks go to Krelvin for getting me started and to mralaska and adipasqu for adding to my understanding. Using TNET Sleep Apnea Information Doc’s and Tips https://sleep.tnet.com/resources/flashp ... nfig/step2 , I expanded upon or simplied them for my own clarity until wireless card-data successfully transferred into SleepyHead.
A. Preparing the new Wireless SD card
1. Installed in my card reader a new wireless SD card, a Toshiba FlashAir III 8GB W03 Wireless WIFI SD SDHC Class 10 Memory Card priced at $25.60 from eBay.
2. Go to Control Panel, Folder Options, View and select “Show hidden files, folders . . .” Click Apply and OK.
3. Go to and open Computer, select the SD’s card drive and open it.
4. Open SD_WLAN, then open the CONFIG file using Notepad.
5. Change APPMODE value from 4 to 5 and change APPNETWORKKEY value from ******** to your LAN Network Security Key (a.k.a SSID Security Key/password a.k.a. your ISP Network Key) provided by your Internet Service Provider.
6. Add the following line items: APPNAME=APPNAME, APPSSID=NNNNN, LOCK=1, DNSMODE=1, APPAUTOTIME=0, UPLOAD=1, NOISE_CANCEL=2.
7. Change APPSSID value from NNNNN to your home WiFi Network’s Name.
8. Click the File tab and select Save. Then click File again and select Exit.
9. Safely remove the SD card: Open Computer, select the SD’s card drive, right click it, select eject and remove the card.
10. Insert the SD card in your xpap machine. Select “No” if a message appears saying “Invalid SD card, erase SD card data? Yes/No?” Remove the card. Begin using your xpap and then promptly replace the card. Use your xpap for at least 12 minutes to record breathing data.
B. Using FlashPAP software to transfer sleep data from SD to your computer
11. Download and install FlashPAP from http://www.cognitial.com/flashpap/flashpap.htm
12. Open FlashPAP. Enter APPNAME as Profile/User Name. Select your xPAP Machine type. Click […] and select Scan Network to automatically fill in the card’s IP Address.
13. At the moment I’m testing with an additional standard xD memory card inserted in the computer card reader that I formatted to remove extraneous data. Right click on the card’s drive and select Format. (I would like learn how to bypass use of this additional memory card.)
14. In FlashPAP, click […] for Destination Folder and select the drive used for the xD card in the preceding step.
15. Typical daily operation: Click Scan FlashAir SD card. Today’s date appears as Dates found on card. Select that date and then click Copy xPAP data for selected date(s).
16. Click […] for Exit and run Sleep Tracking Software. Click “Desktop,” then scroll to and click the SleepyHead shortcut. Note: After doing this once, clicking on Exit and run Sleep Tracking Software will open SleepyHead.
C. Use SleepyHead software as usual
17. In SleepyHead, click Import. SH detects the drive to which sleep data was transferred by the FlashAir SD. Click Yes and then click Daily to see detailed graphs of the wirelessly transferred sleep data. If other data already exists in SH for today’s date, use the select/deselect feature in the lower left under Cpap Sessions to display your 12+ minutes of test data by itself.
D. Clean-up
18. To avoid affecting your sleep data results for the day, you can now deselect the 12+ minutes of test data from today’s Cpap Sessions in SH.
19. To restore system file security, return to Control Panel, Folder Options, View and select “Don’t show hidden files, folders . . .” Click Apply and OK.

Notes:
1. If a power loss or other condition interrupts FlashAir card function, remove the card, insert it in your computer card reader, go to C:\FlashAir, copy DCIM, GUPIXINE, SD_WYLAN, paste them into the card’s reader drive, safely remove the card and reinsert it into your xpap. If a message appears, “Invalid SD card, erase SD card data? Yes/No?”, select Yes and wait for the machine to reset.


The above is an early draft work in progress. Questions comments and suggestions are always welcome either by posting or private mail.

Not reliable. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I can't recommend these cards until results are consistently positive. The chart below shows the technology is promising. It reflects five 12-15 minute awake breathing tests in which the FlashAir card in my S9 xpap recorded and, when polled, transmitted sleep data to my computer -- where SleepyHead then read it and displayed the detailed charts. However, those were controlled lab tests and so far I am not seeing the same good results in routine use. The main issue is my S9 machine's display message that the FlashAir card is "Invalid". (I get that on two models, S9 AutoSet and S9 VPAP Adapt, both built in 2011.) It offers to "Erase the SD card data? Yes/No?" Both choices are problematic. The FlashAir card should be as acceptable to our xpap machines as are standard non-wireless SD cards. Am still working this but looking for solutions or work-arounds that other FlashAir users have found.

There are apparently some versions of the S9 series where this is an issue. Perhaps older machines?

Use mine every time I get up, even if it is at 4:30am and I plan on going back to bed. My machine was built in 2014.

I pull the reports remote'd in via my phone to my main desktop while sitting on the edge of the bed and have SleepHead process them.

Krelvin wrote:There are apparently some versions of the S9 series where this is an issue. Perhaps older machines? . . .

That could very well be the case although I hear by the grapevine that some older S9 users are doing ok with the card. Mine were built three years before yours in 2011.

mralaska wrote:. . . I found a FAQ on the Sleepmaster site that said I need to assign a permanent IP address to the card when this happens but in my case I was a low tech operator stuck with a high tech router which I have yet to figure out.

Ditto here. Am also a low tech operator trying to use a high tech wireless card. I called my ISP tech support during the wee hours when it's slow for them and told them I'm trying to bring up a wireless SD card that should now be showing on their DHCP LIST. Would they please check that and btw could they show it to me on my screen as a matter of interest. They did both and I learned that the ID and password to do that on my own are printed on my router's label (food for thought if you want to try this). That's how I got my IP address for the card and also for my router.

mralaska wrote:. . . The only 'issue' I have had is with the card itself which the wireless seems to go to sleep two or three times a week and I need to pop it out and then back into the machine to wake it up.

I have the same issue here and I call that "Not reliable." But I'm working on it and seem to be making progress. By accessing my ISP's information panels, I can monitor the card's connectivity and its "Active" vs. "Inactive" status. Upon first being inserted, (even) after choosing "Yes" (in answer to "Erase ('invalid') SD card data? Yes/No”), the card is detected as Active by my ISP. I have tested and found that in its Active state sleep data can be written to it and recorded by it in the xpap machine.

When the card's state is 'Inactive', I observe no sleep data is recorded on it during a 12-minute breathing test. I think the card goes Inactive after doing the FlashPAP function "Copy xPAP data for selected date(s)" upon clicking "Exit and run Sleep Tracking Software." And I saw it go Inactive when I pulled the power plug after testing in my “lab” office and returning it to the bedroom.

FWIW: Using one of the ISP control panels, I pinged the FlashAir card and that enabled it to restart and go Active and the card worked. Another option allowed me to set the ping function and an “Enabled” label appeared. Whatever all that means, the card now seems to be operating reliably and remains in the Active state as seen by my ISP. Maybe Krelvin can shed some light on this. Let us know how it goes if you want to give this a try.

You are using an ISP that is providing more than just the modern? I always use my own access point, wouldn't trust the ISP for support on that.

Papit wrote:FWIW: Using one of the ISP control panels, I pinged the FlashAir card and that enabled it to restart and go Active and the card worked. Another option allowed me to set the ping function and an “Enabled” label appeared. Whatever all that means, the card now seems to be operating reliably and remains in the Active state as seen by my ISP.

This doesn't make a lot of sense. If the card is not active you would not be able to ping it since it would not be listening. This sounds like the router is doing something, not the card.

I have never used a static IP for a FlashAir card, always DHCP.

Krelvin wrote:

Papit wrote:FWIW: Using one of the ISP control panels, I pinged the FlashAir card and that enabled it to restart and go Active and the card worked. Another option allowed me to set the ping function and an “Enabled” label appeared. Whatever all that means, the card now seems to be operating reliably and remains in the Active state as seen by my ISP.

This doesn't make a lot of sense. If the card is not active you would not be able to ping it since it would not be listening.

yeah, what he's saying isn't possible, I'm sure he's just confused.

Krelvin wrote:You are using an ISP that is providing more than just the modern? I always use my own access point, wouldn't trust the ISP for support on that.

Well, what about the rest of us who are not pro systems analysts. We want to learn.

1. Please explain in laymen's terms (not systems analysts language) what exactly what is meant by "my own access point?."
2. Exactly how do you use your own access point?

3. Do some of us others here have our own access points; e.g., maybe by having purchased a working FlashAir SD card?
Thanks.

Papit wrote:

Krelvin wrote:You are using an ISP that is providing more than just the modern? I always use my own access point, wouldn't trust the ISP for support on that.

Well, what about the rest of us who are not pro systems analysts. We want to learn.

1. Please explain in laymen's terms (not systems analysts language) what exactly what is meant by "my own access point?."
2. Exactly how do you use your own access point?

3. Do some of us others here have our own access points; e.g., maybe by having purchased a working FlashAir SD card?
Thanks.

it's almost like there's no such thing as google, eh?

Krelvin wrote:

Papit wrote:FWIW: Using one of the ISP control panels, I pinged the FlashAir card and that enabled it to restart and go Active and the card worked. Another option allowed me to set the ping function and an “Enabled” label appeared. Whatever all that means, the card now seems to be operating reliably and remains in the Active state as seen by my ISP.

This doesn't make a lot of sense. If the card is not active you would not be able to ping it since it would not be listening. This sounds like the router is doing something, not the card.

I'm hardly a systems analyst so only a little of all this make sense to me either. I was hoping you might shed some light on this for me and others viewing this trip. I suppose the router could well be the hero, I dunno. Whether or not it makes sense, it sure looks to me that by pinging the router I activated an Inactive card that was not performing and turned it Active and performing. Check out the before and after screen shots I took below.

Card is Inactive:



Choosing to ping:



Adding the Card's IP Address:



Router and card pinged:



Now Card is Active and performing:

Krelvin wrote: I have never used a static IP for a FlashAir card, always DHCP.

Well, I guess I tried an unorthodox method. One, though, that seems to have worked. Wouldn't calling their ISP be the best way as part of TNET's recommended test, for most others who are less techie here, to find out if their card is on the DHCP list? And if it is, but shows up as Inactive, as was the case with my card, wouldn't that be a good time to ask their tech support person to ping their router to see if it activates the card?

Krelvin wrote:You can get the FlashAir Firmware Update tool at: http://www.toshiba.co.jp/p-media/englis ... ol_w02.htm

This is for the W-02 card!

Tool is a little bit funky, has you insert and remove (properly) the card a couple times and can not only check the firmware level, but also rebuild the card and the files it needs (IE make it look like it came from the factory).

I've used this tool numerous times while playing with the card when I first got it and used it to upgrade the firmware of the original card I had which was older . . .

This link used to work easily for reinitializing my FlashAir III card. Is it just my computer or has this link switched to all Japanese? Can't figure out how to switch back to English. Is there a better link for the FlashAirTool download?

I've only downloaded it once or twice.

You might try

http://www.toshiba-memory.com/cms/en/pr ... -card.html

Thanks. That helped find FlashAirTool, http://support.toshiba.com/support/view ... Id=4006103 I needed it after removing the card.