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Re: question on resp rate and tidal volume, racing heart rate

Posted: Tue May 12, 2015 12:06 pm
by HanzT
Morbius, is that your chart, and did you "solve" the wake ups? It looks very familiar.

Re: question on resp rate and tidal volume, racing heart rate

Posted: Tue May 12, 2015 2:13 pm
by palerider
HanzT wrote:I will post a larger picture to dropbox and also a zoom later today (hopefully) when I get home. I honestly don't know what half the acronyms mean here, but I'll look them up.

Thanks guys!
he's not asking for a larger pic to be posted on dropbox, he's suggesting you zip up the contents of your sd card and upload THAT to dropbox.

that allows folks like him and robysue to zoom in on detail without dozens of "can you zoom in on this spot, no, zoom in more, no, too much, zoom out a little, now move 12 minutes ahead and do it again on .... no, you missed the event, go back 30 seconds." posts.

Re: question on resp rate and tidal volume, racing heart rate

Posted: Tue May 12, 2015 2:20 pm
by HanzT
Ok. That sounds great. I'll figure that out tonight.

Re: question on resp rate and tidal volume, racing heart rate

Posted: Tue May 12, 2015 6:08 pm
by HanzT
Hi Morbius or anyone else interested,
Thanks so much for the help. Here is a link to my data files. Any help would be appreciated. I have a lot of files there, so just take what you like. The one I posted was from May 9th.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fnb2mjg96rom ... 1wiia?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fnb2mjg96rom ... 1wiia?dl=0
Thanks,
H

Re: question on resp rate and tidal volume, racing heart rate

Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 5:30 am
by Morbius
HanzT wrote:Morbius, is that your chart, and did you "solve" the wake ups? It looks very familiar.
Yeah, I would hope:

viewtopic/p1000980/viewtopic.php?f=1&t= ... 47#p941847

Re: question on resp rate and tidal volume, racing heart rate

Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 8:41 am
by Jay Aitchsee
robysue wrote:What do VT and VE stand for? At first I though you were using VT for tidal volume, but I'm not so sure any more. Care to explain these acronyms for the rest of us?
CapnLoki wrote:I give up, what's SWJ or BFM? And is that your chart, and what does it show?
palerider wrote:more as a reminder of alternative ways to find stuff on the forum than anything else, going to google and searching this: site:cpaptalk.com swj would answer the first part of your question.
Vt= Tidal Volume
Ve= Minute Volume
SWJ = Sleep Wake Junk, a term coined by a previous incarnation of Morbius
BFM = I'm going with Big effin Mess ??

Re: question on resp rate and tidal volume, racing heart rate

Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 8:51 am
by HanzT
Morbius wrote:
HanzT wrote:Morbius, is that your chart, and did you "solve" the wake ups? It looks very familiar.
Yeah, I would hope:

LOL. No wonder.... It got somewhat better on its own, then I went backwards and now I have the rapid heart rate added in too. It's been a struggle for sure.

Re: question on resp rate and tidal volume, racing heart rate

Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 7:25 pm
by Morbius
HanzT wrote:Here is a link to my data files.
Can you upload the entire contents of the SD card? I can't make anything in that file work.

Or the Sleepyhead file folder (c:/Documents and Settings/YourName/MyDocuments/SleepyHeadData/Profiles/YourName).

Thanks.

Re: question on resp rate and tidal volume, racing heart rate

Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 8:10 pm
by HanzT
Sorry about that. I zipped the entire thing, see below. Thanks for taking the time to help me out with this. Hanz

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p7tqrzbbdn0sx ... s.zip?dl=0

Here is the sleephead data as a back up:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ssr96e3asl1y ... 2.zip?dl=0

Re: question on resp rate and tidal volume, racing heart rate

Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 3:04 am
by Morbius
So looking at the "stable" breathing, we see:

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while the "unstable" breathing reveals:

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Putting in a -0- line in the "unstable" breathing:

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The "unstable breathing is actually some wicked flow limitation (not necessarily BFM, but certainly MFM (right, "Medium" FM).

Have a few more thousand breaths to look at, but that's a good place to start.

Re: question on resp rate and tidal volume, racing heart rate

Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 4:07 am
by Morbius
Going back to original question, the severe flow limitation often includes a stutter or blip in the inspiratory wave (or maybe it's an expiratory bounce) that is interpreted as a separate breath. That results in an erroneously high RR (in this case 23 when the true rate is only ~11):

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Re: question on resp rate and tidal volume, racing heart rate

Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 9:38 am
by HanzT
Wow. Thats interesting. Thank you so much! Should I try increasing pressure or how do I work on removing the flow limit? Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Re: question on resp rate and tidal volume, racing heart rate

Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 11:21 am
by palerider
Morbius wrote:Putting in a -0- line in the "unstable" breathing:
if you're using the 0.9.8-1 version of SH, you can right click the legend at the left of the chart and turn on a dotted line at zero. (and a bunch of other dotted lines)

Re: question on resp rate and tidal volume, racing heart rate

Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 11:27 am
by HanzT
palerider wrote:
Morbius wrote:Putting in a -0- line in the "unstable" breathing:
if you're using the 0.9.8-1 version of SH, you can right click the legend at the left of the chart and turn on a dotted line at zero. (and a bunch of other dotted lines)

Could you please right click on my brain and turn on better breathing?

Re: question on resp rate and tidal volume, racing heart rate

Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 11:56 am
by HoseCrusher
No problem.

CLICK.

There, how's that...