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BlackSpinner wrote:The vast majority of people who get diagnosed with OSA are over 30 and most are over 50. By that time most of us have reproduced which is the most important aspect of life according to "mother nature" . There was a benefit in the past for women to live longer - called the "grandmother effect" The longer a woman lived the more surviving grandchildren she had because she was around to help her daughters to care for the babies. The same was not true for older men.

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Too much brain damage from lack of O2? Can't read?

Julie wrote: Showing off his vast vocabulary?

I'm guessing it's a spammer that will come back and edit the msgs later. (common spammer technique on msg boards to sneak past mods... if you post your spam right away, it gets deleted and banned, but if you post something that doesn't look too spammy, then come back later and edit it, it's much less likely to get deleted.)

andy5805 wrote:I get the feeling my comments on here are causing offence because a lot of people may be overweight - this is not my intention. To make it worse I'm not overweight, and I'm under 40 so the only strict qualifier for my sleep disorder is not the "stereotypical" qualifier for it -I know why I've got it though, my tongue is far too big, and I consider it a genetic defect, because it is, I have siblings without enormous tongues and they sleep fine without darth vader gear

so this led me to trying to reason what would happen if I were in another age before the assisted help. And I'm quite accurate in saying I'd do worse, and others like me would do worse

here's where I probably really offend people but again it's not my intention - but I am not really one for seeking approval all the time and generally prefer to give my true viewpoint, being fat - to some extent is a lifestyle choice. having a massive tongue is something you are born with and you can do nothing about, just as if you are born with another deformity. No this doesn't make me any better or any worse than one single person on here, but it does explain why people are saying I'm not logical - whereas if anything I'm ruthlessly logical.

When you look at OSA or worse get it, you start examining what you can do to change the odds back to a normal life, in this age the best thing for that is CPAP and I will encourage anyone with OSA to get on it as long as I am able to do so. But some things you can influence some things you cannot, genetics isn't something you can influence, you can only compensate for it with technology which is here today, not yesterday, being fat, today or yesterday , you can do something about by getting fit and stopping eating so much. This is all factual. If people want to get emotional because they're fat or otherwise, i will not sway my opinion that you can do something about OSA with technology but you can do something about being fat before any technology is required.

You certainly know how to step on toes! You are darn right insulting.. Ever hear about someone having thyroid problems, or someone who has to be on medication like prednisone? Not every fat person you see is fat because they eat too much.

Plus I am not sure you "get" OSA. It is more like you develop it over time.

I was not overweight, male or over 40 when I first knew I had OSA. So your comment last comment does not hold true for everyone. I am sure there are a lot of people out there that are not fat and still have slerp apnea.

andy5805 wrote: ...having a massive tongue is something you are born with and you can do nothing about...

I'm late to this party, just wanted comment that there are medical conditions for which an enlarged tongue is a symptom. Not all enlarged tongues are congenital. Mine wasn't. Normal tongue all my life. During my crisis time when the years of sleep disorders culminated in a major crash with so much going wrong in my body, my tongue became enlarged. Always biting it because the edges went between my teeth. Scalloped edges. Worsening sleep apnea demanded treatment. Thyroid tests were normal. The rest of my body was fighting a losing battle with edema - can a tongue be edematous? Anyhow, as my sleep and other health issues began to stabilize, my tongue went back to its normal size and has been ok for a few years. I would say anyone having recent tongue issues should see a doctor, but shoot, I was seeing oodles of doctors and it didn't make a difference. It just spontaneously resolved. But any new symptom should be checked out by a doctor. I realize that this is not likely the case for the OP, but maybe for others reading this.

Another case where the patient recovered in spite of the doctor.
(No doubt the doctor assumes credit, as usual)

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:24 pm

BlackSpinner wrote:The vast majority of people who get diagnosed with OSA are over 30 and most are over 50. By that time most of us have reproduced which is the most important aspect of life according to "mother nature" . There was a benefit in the past for women to live longer - called the "grandmother effect" The longer a woman lived the more surviving grandchildren she had because she was around to help her daughters to care for the babies. The same was not true for older men.

In other words, the uses for old men are limited?

Yes. And I speak as an old man. There may have been a time and place (e.g. enduring cultures such as in China and India, in pre-modern times) where there was an honorable place for old men and for that matter old women.

And as far as the medical rather than philosophical angle, I have to agree that a lot of the next generation and especially the one before that probably had sleep apnea. A lot of them sure snored! And based on this I have to wonder whether we aren't a generation of wusses: 'oh, he snores, get him a $1000 machine!' So, either...

1) OSA is a serious health problem, underfunded, underdiagnosed and under treated. It is not as if anyone is screening people for this. It's somewhere between asthma and food allergies in how much it is ignored in Canada anyway. My doctor never asked me about my sleep, I had to come to him after three years of waking up gasping before I finally realized I had to do something about it - based on watching a Youtube video i think it was.

Or 2) this sleep apnea is a scam like the 1980s 'clinical ecologist' movement wherein persons with allergies were told by specialist MDs to saran wrap their life and inject themselves daily to build up resistance to what they were allergic too. That fell by the wayside. Medical focus and campaigns clearly are subject to fashion as much as to science. I suspect that sleep apnea will go through a similar cycle of an article in many magazine every month for a few years, then it too will fall away. This doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but insurance companies can't fund everything. There is. of course, one category of person who will have all the trending medical treatments regardless - the curious rich. I notice that the as if abandoned old in government nursing homes in Canada certainly don't have the doctors running to get them diagnosed and treated.

I hope you realize that you are responding to a 5 year old post...

hermeshermes wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:16 am

I suspect that sleep apnea will go through a similar cycle of an article in many magazine every month for a few years, then it too will fall away.

FOS

Throughout human history, and in just about every culture, we have tried to enhance health and extend life.

In fact, the recent debates about end-of-life are by-products of our recent success in doing so!

D.H. wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:01 am

Throughout human history, and in just about every culture, we have tried to enhance health and extend life.

In fact, the recent debates about end-of-life are by-products of our recent success in doing so!

And by doing so we are making our planet unable to support our population. Jim

My life with cpap can be (and IS) perfectly normal.
And a whole lot better that it ever was without it.
Let go of your denial and resentment.
It does not serve you.
Science has given us the opportunity to use this technology to improve and extend life.
Those who reject it are welcome to crawl into a hole and pull it in after them.
There will be no flowers.

hermeshermes wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:16 am

Or 2) this sleep apnea is a scam like the 1980s 'clinical ecologist' movement wherein persons with allergies were told by specialist MDs to saran wrap their life and inject themselves daily to build up resistance to what they were allergic too. That fell by the wayside. Medical focus and campaigns clearly are subject to fashion as much as to science. I suspect that sleep apnea will go through a similar cycle of an article in many magazine every month for a few years, then it too will fall away. This doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but insurance companies can't fund everything.

I think you are conflating several different concepts. There are certainly instances where public awareness of a particular medical issue ebbs and flows. Public awareness of hypertension, elevated lipids (and particular types of lipids), diabetes and other "silent killers" has increased over time. And the clinical standards about when to treat, and how to treat, have certainly evolved. But insurance companies certainly continue to pay for treatment. More recently, I would cite Hepatitis C as an example. Going the other way, the appropriate use of opioids.

But that is a very different question than whether something is a real medical issue supported by science. I don't think that is apnea. While the clinical treatment standards of when and how to treat will likely continue to evolve, there is no serious medical debate about whether it is a serious medical issue that warrants treatment. In contrast, there has been some controversy around Chronic Fatigue, fibro, and chronic lyme disease. And while the science is pretty decent on vitamin d levels, any insurer will cover the test only under certain circumstances.

Yes, those with more wealth will always have the ability to seek out treatments that are viewed as investigational (or worse) in nature. Whether it be an off-label use of a medication, a jade egg, dmso, or extracts made from certain fruit pits. The same with pursuing a diet made of non-gmo, organic foods.

But that is also not xpap, provided you have decent insurance. It is widely covered as a medical device and that is not changing anytime soon unless there is a better treatment.

On to clinical ecology (which never had broad support in the medical community), both before and after the movement the concept of allergy shots has existed ("inject themselves daily to build up resistance to what they were allergic too [sic]"). The clinical ecology debate was largely about whether a diagnosis was real (and how it should be treated).

The real question with apnea is will it eventually be included in items that are regularly screened for in family medicine (based on a recommendation from a health organization).