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" for Her " dont treat apnea over 12 cmh20.

Lazer1234 wrote:" for Her " dont treat apnea over 12 cmh20.

Source please???

From the CM:
"AutoSet for Her mode
AutoSet for Her mode is based on key aspects of ResMed’s AutoSet algorithm and delivers
therapeutic responses tailored to the characteristics of female OSA patients.
The AutoSet for Her is similar to ResMed’s AutoSet algorithm with the following modifications:
 Reduced rate of pressure increments designed to help prevent arousals.
 Slower pressure decays.
 Treats apneas up to 12 cm H2O and continues to respond to flow limitation and snore up to
20 cm H2O."
--The underlined phrase confuses me too.
(edit) I am running on "for her" mode, (nice feeling) but my pressures normally don't go over 12;
if my numbers jump, I can switch over to "regular" mode.

chunkyfrog wrote:Treats apneas up to 12 cm H2O and continues to respond to flow limitation and snore up to
20 cm H2O."
--The underlined phrase confuses me too.

That's similar to the old A10 algorithm with the S8 machines where people read that and thought "OMG, if I need more pressure beyond 10 cm the machine won't do it and I won't get effective therapy?
They forget or don't see or understand the

continues to respond to flow limitation and snore up to
20 cm H2O."

It will go past 12 cm in response to flow limitations and snores..it just won't respond to an OA that doesn't have flow limitations and snores along with it past 12 cm.
Those "frank" apneas that might come in out of the blue without any of the normal precursor warning signs of the impending airway collapse.
Most airway collapses come with those usually seen flow limitations or snores...and should someone have a problem with those out of the blue airway collapses all that needs to be done is set the minimum pressure in apap mode to where it pretty much prevents any of those out of the blue events...which is what we would be doing anyway.

I thought that this as likely going to be what lazer was referring to but didn't have time to go look it up.
It's the same statement that used to throw everyone in a panic when the S8 apap machines were the latest and greatest.
They pick a smart part of the statement and post it and don't refer to the entire description.

So the statement is true up to a point but comes with a additional wording that is very important that people either don't see or don't understand or forget.

Pugsy wrote: Those "frank" apneas that might come in out of the blue without any of the normal precursor warning signs of the impending airway collapse.

please to be stopping misusing the term 'frank'.

"frank" means "clinically evident" not "sudden"... yes, I know, Den's been a bad influence. <- corrected, thanks Jay

for more: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=101392&p=947006&hil ... nk#p946982

palerider wrote:"frank" means "obvious" not "sudden"... yes, I know, Den's been a bad influence.

Or, in other words, "clinically evident" according to Merriam_Webster Medical Dictionary
http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/frank
as Capt Midnight told us back in 2008
viewtopic/t35348/Frank-Apnea.html#p303290

Jay Aitchsee wrote:

palerider wrote:"frank" means "obvious" not "sudden"... yes, I know, Den's been a bad influence.

Or, in other words, "clinically evident" according to Merriam_Webster Medical Dictionary
http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/frank

well, I was simplifying a bit, but, yes, that's pretty much what i'd googled up previously. but it doesn't mean "sudden" or "unexpected" in *any* definition

palerider wrote: please to be stopping misusing the term 'frank'.

You are asking an old woman to change something she is set in her ways about? You are asking an awful lot.

It's funny...I always thought frank was sudden out of the blue with no warning.

Medical Definition of FRANK
: clinically evident

In my health care work environment...we used frank like Den used it so to me it wasn't an inappropriate word choice.

But if enough of you think it is an inappropriate term...maybe I need to do another useless poll ...I can TRY to remember to omit it and just say
"out of the blue with no warning"

Pugsy wrote:

palerider wrote: please to be stopping misusing the term 'frank'.

You are asking an old woman to change something she is set in her ways about? You are asking an awful lot.

adaptability keeps you young

or, something. just saw someone else post something like that earlier today

palerider wrote:adaptability keeps you young

Well today I don't feel very adaptable...picked up black walnuts yesterday...man do I hurt all over today.
Got a bumper crop of the little buggers this year and they had to be picked up at least where I needed to mow because mowing over them either tears up the blades or sends flying bombs.
Friend of mine had her husband send one into her big living room window last week. Now he gets to replace a big picture window.

If it bugs you so much about frank because I really don't care one way or the other...I will try to change but I make no promises. Sometimes I get to be the old woman I am...I earned the right.

I need to go out and pull up carrots--we have an incredible harvest.
I picked some Friday evening, rinsed off the dirt, and laid them by the door to get a little drier before
bringing them in to peel. Hubby gave them to the neighbors.

I don't think I get how this system works. I have tried to get people back on track, to anser my apprently selfish quesion, with not luck. Yet I was getting close to answer. Frustrated that the "hey! it' my friend writing off topic" interrupted all the good info I was getting.

Which question was not answered?

As long as you never need more than 20 cm pressure....the for Her machine will be able to get the job done. It will go to 20 in all 3 modes it has available.
If you ever need more than 20 cm pressure...none of the cpap/apap machines will be able to do the job because they can't go over 20 cm pressure and you will need a different machine that can go higher.

Pugsy wrote:

palerider wrote: please to be stopping misusing the term 'frank'.

You are asking an old woman to change something she is set in her ways about? You are asking an awful lot.

It's funny...I always thought frank was sudden out of the blue with no warning.

Medical Definition of FRANK
: clinically evident

In my health care work environment...we used frank like Den used it so to me it wasn't an inappropriate word choice.

But if enough of you think it is an inappropriate term...maybe I need to do another useless poll ...I can TRY to remember to omit it and just say
"out of the blue with no warning"

Dadgummit!!!! Just a gol durned minute!!! I was NOT the first person on this forum to use the term "frank" with regard to sudden, out of nowhere apneas.

It was others like -SWS and Snoredog. I just assumed that it was a type of clinical definition for them and started using it, too.

What do you mean I'm a bad influence?

Thanks for that link, Jay. Brought back some memories. "Frank had apnea?"


Den

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Wulfman... wrote:Dadgummit!!!! Just a gol durned minute!!! I was NOT the first person on this forum to use the term "frank" with regard to sudden, out of nowhere apneas.

It was others like -SWS and Snoredog. I just assumed that it was a type of clinical definition for them and started using it, too.

What do you mean I'm a bad influence?

Thanks for that link, Jay. Brought back some memories. "Frank had apnea?"

well, I had to pin it on someone, and you're the one that's (mis)used it the most lately, and even corrupted our sweet, innocent pugsy. *waggles finger*

and then Jay brings up that captian_midnight corrected you back in 2008... *waggles finger again*