palerider wrote:torontoCPAPguy wrote:Pugsy wrote:jenk wrote:leak rate had a spike up to 42 for ~1/2 hour then around 15'ish the remainder.
Fairly typical for a PR System One machine at your pressure. Large leak territory is up around 70 to 80 L/min with your mask at your pressure.
Leaks aren't an issue unless they are waking you up a lot.
With all due respect, LEAKS are the #1 issue and make no mistake about it.
with all due respect (and, for you, that's decreasing with every post you make) Pugsy knows more about counseling newbies with cpap issues than you ever will.
a leak indication of 15-40 on a PR machine means the leaks ARE under control...
so, why don't you quit displaying your ignorance.
Palerider and Pugsy, I am baffled at your comments and responses. I have apologized should I have said something that offended - and that apology was heartfelt as none of us is on here to "trash" one another, excepting it appears, palerider and perhaps pugsy? I am baffled.
Perhaps I am not clear in what I post these days - I had a serious accident on May 19 and am still recovering so perhaps my words are not coming across with the message that I want to convey.
Let me state for the record that it is MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION based on experience that LEAKAGE must be the very first thing that we address when looking at the data we are receiving from our respective blowers, regardless of the mask we are using, regardless of the software we are using and regardless of any other extraneious data. LEAKAGE is prime. I fully understand that different machines have different means of measuring leakage and have different means of presenting the data. And that different masks have different vent rates (which may be directly related to leak rate). But, if we are not seeing a constant leak rate, regardless of what that leak rate may be, the other data being presented may be flawed or misinterpreted.
What I am trying to say, perhaps poorly, is simply that when looking at other data being garnered from one's blower and presented in one's software, one needs to relate same to leak rate at any given moment. So, if one is looking at another bit of information, such as an "event", one should also be looking at the leak rate at that given moment as compared to the somewhat constant leak rate through the night, in order to take the leak rate into account in translating the event at that particular moment in time. And if one is concerned about the overall efficacy of their system (i.e. blower, mask, hoseing and seal of that system) then one must also look at the leak rate at that particular moment in time, regardless of what it is. It should become apparent if there was a momentary increase in leak rate by looking at the graph.
What I was trying to say was that, in my experience with my S8 Auto and the S9 Auto and the graphs the software was presenting, one could see a variety of values that related directly to the efficacy of the system, the primary one being whether or not the system was maintaining a seal and therefore Continuous Positive Airway Pressure and along with other data, together, a determination of whether or not the system was doing what it was supposed to be doing, in other words, keeping one's airway open. Diagnosis of centrals is very difficult if not impossible to establish without even further information/data (EEG, etc.), but surely one can see if the system is sealed and at least trying to do the job it was intended to do.
I hope that my babbling on here at least puts forth a little more light on what I was trying to get across. If I was unclear or if I continue to be unclear as to what I am trying to get across please feel free to say so. THAT criticism I am humbly appreciative of and take it as such. What I find difficult to accept is being unjustifiably hit from behind.
It has been some time since I have been active on this board and I am afraid it will probably be some time before I am again active on this board - frankly, I can understand the offense taken by Pugsy by my comments in hindsight (and who has done a wonderful job of gathering information and posting it and for which I am sure we are all thankful) but not Palerider (who one could justifiably suspect of having more than just OSA issues).
I am saddened to say that it appears that the forum has lost something very valuable and that is simply the comfort members should feel in sharing their personal experience(s) and suggestions in dealing with Apnea problems.
As to freely giving out erroneous information en masse, I find it hard to be accused of this as I have probably made no more than a dozen posts on the board IN TOTAL IN THE PAST YEAR. And from the private personal messages that I have been receiving over the past weeks I am afraid that I am going to have to concede that this forum has indeed lost some of its heart and soul and is not what it used to be - such a huge attraction in past years and the free sharing of thoughts and suggestions which permitted me and many of the early members of the forum to deal with and correct our Apnea issues years ago - and now return to make some payback of that effort and experience. With some 28,000 (28 thousand?) posts I have to commend Pugsy on her level of participation and dedication and (yet again) no offense was intended. I was just hoping to share my own personal experience regarding 'leakage' but obviously screwed it up and I again apologize if any offense was given. To Palerider..... I am at a loss as to what to say without offending but suffice it to say that your reaction is so totally out of the ballpark it leaves me scratching my head. But to YOU as well, if I said something that gave YOU offense I give my heartfelt apologies. My intention was good. I was obviously not clear in what I was trying to say.
I will leave it to others, should anyone care to give it a shot, to explain why an actual quantitative base number for LEAKAGE is not all that urgent. BUT that an instantaneous leakage number or deviation could be helpful when being compared to an event of some kind, perhaps adding some enlightenment to what is going on at that instant. And ergo, lowering leakage is an important element in one's data library for a given time.
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