CPAPtalk.com

I sold a couple of very small items to members, and they sent me their personal check afterward.
To sell anything larger, I would have to set up a PP account.

OhHelpMe wrote:Now, we don't really know that jargon113 is not lying do we?

I sent the criminal mastermind a PM informing him of the facts. If he logs on and removes his picture we will know for sure. I highly doubt this has been fabricated by jargon113

Day_Dreamer wrote:

OhHelpMe wrote:Now, we don't really know that jargon113 is not lying do we?

I sent the criminal mastermind a PM informing him of the facts. If he logs on and removes his picture we will know for sure. I highly doubt this has been fabricated by jargon113

So you are in cahoots with jargon113 to besmirch the forum reputation of a member???

OhHelpMe wrote:

Day_Dreamer wrote:

OhHelpMe wrote:Now, we don't really know that jargon113 is not lying do we?

I sent the criminal mastermind a PM informing him of the facts. If he logs on and removes his picture we will know for sure. I highly doubt this has been fabricated by jargon113

So you are in cahoots with jargon113 to besmirch the forum reputation of a member???

If you go back and look at jargon113's posts you will see that a machine was offered for sale and nfrederick86 bought it.(or at least said he bought it).

If you go back and look at jargon113's posts you will see that a machine was offered for sale and nfrederick86 bought it.(or at least said he bought it).

The conspiracy to besmirch nfrederick86 has spread to the cheeseheads.

OhHelpMe wrote:

If you go back and look at jargon113's posts you will see that a machine was offered for sale and nfrederick86 bought it.(or at least said he bought it).

The conspiracy to besmirch nfrederick86 has spread to the cheeseheads.

You sure do "need help"....almost all of your posts are critical of something or someone...nothing to offer. I'll be waiting for your come back.

agribah wrote:Hrmm... maybe cpaptalk should implement a user rating system. So when things happen like this, people get err... downvoted?

CPAPtalk.com serves its purpose as a place for discussing CPAP and sleep apnea. It shouldn't be responsible for a private sales transaction dispute. While unfortunate, the seller took a huge risk with trying to sell an item via an online support forum. It's difficult to find any recourse if there's no paper trail or intermediary like PayPal or eBay to settle the dispute or fraud claim.

OK I do know that -

I have learned a lesson
DO NOT expect cpaptalk to re-imburse me, or deal with the transaction at hand
Only here to warn you others, of this user.


We agreed to do half at first, and half after a week if he liked it. here is the PM trail, and the email trail between us-

Remember I only posted to help you guys not deal with him..


this is completely backwards (start at bottom) from the last email I sent him to the first PM I got.




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Never happened, he wont reply to me now.. I just send him an invoice everyday. I have added $100 for late fees for each month (2 months) just for shits and giggles I guess.
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Sent: July 11, 2014 7:15 PM
"Nathaniel Frederick" <Moderator removed email>
Subject: You've received an invoice (53114) from

Fiance and I just split up. I set a reminder to pay you on Wednesday.

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After he never sent any money, I invoiced him though paypal and got a sob story ^
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Nate Frederick <Moderator removed email>
Jul 5
to me
I'll be paying you Wednesday. It's working fantastic. Thank you.

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from jargon113
Jul 2
to Nate
Nathaniel,

It has been about two weeks since delivery. I am wondering if you are going to keep it or send it back?

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from jargon113
Jun 22
to Nate
Ok no hurry, just making sure you got it.

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Nate Frederick <Moderator removed email>
Jun 22
to me
Yes everything is well. Giving it a week then ill send the other half.

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from jargon113 to nate
Jun 22
to Nate
Nathanial,

Did the box get delivered ok? Just curious if everything was
received well.

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Nate Frederick <Moderator removed email>
Jun 17
to me
Thank you very much.
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

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from jargon113
Jun 17
to nate.frederick
Nathaniel,

I got the cpap out to the post office before it closed today.
Expected delivery is Thursday 6/19/14. USPS tracking number:
9114901159815523983224. Cost was $18.05. When you get it please take
your time to make sure you are happy with it before sending the rest
of the payment.


emails start ^
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Re: Interested in your machine
Sent at: Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:33 pm
by nfrederick86

Please send tracking info to <Moderator removed email>

Thanks!
Re: Interested in your machine
Sent at: Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:14 pm
by nfrederick86

If you ship 2 day I'll cover the shipping cost on other half payment.
Re: Interested in your machine
Sent at: Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:06 pm
by jargon113

I will ship it tonight when I get home from work.
Re: Interested in your machine
Sent at: Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:46 pm
by nfrederick86

I sent the money, please ship as soon as you can and to the address on my paypal account.
Re: Interested in your machine
Sent at: Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:05 pm
by nfrederick86

OK i have the money in paypal ready to send, let me email my Fiance first and let her know whats going on before I it send.
Re: Interested in your machine
Sent at: Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:55 pm
by jargon113

Also, if you do want to return it I will give you your 125 back upon it being received back so no worries there either.
Re: Interested in your machine
Sent at: Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:54 pm
by jargon113

I understand how you feel, and do not blame you. I will accept half now, and half when you are satisfied, and do not want to return it. So when you pay for the other half it's yours and I don't have to worry about a return. Whenever I get 125, I will ship it and send you the tracking number. If you pay soon I will not be able to ship it out until tonight when I get home.
Re: Interested in your machine
Sent at: Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:50 pm
by nfrederick86

I 'm a little weary, as you probably are, of buying something from someone who has only been a member here for a short time, hell, I just joined yesterday. Would you be willing to accept half payment and ship me the unit, and when I verify everything is in working order I can pay you the other half apon arrival? Let me know what would be best, I think it's a fair price and a good machine for what I'm looking for.

Thanks!
Re: Interested in your machine
Sent at: Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:46 pm
by jargon113

Yeah, I would be willing to sell it for $250. I saw your post about the data, just so you know the encoreanywhere has to be paid monthly for the wireless service. I don't know much about it, but I do know that. It also has a SD card slot though. How do you want to proceed? I think Paypal would be the easiest/ most secure. My email is XX phune number is XX if you want to speak. As stated in my post you can return it for a full refund for a week after it is delivered.
Interested in your machine

Sent at: Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:34 pm
by nfrederick86

Would you be willing to take 250 for the machine? This is exactly what I need, a base model data capable machine.

When a transaction is done in good faith by the Seller or buyer there should be a commitment to finalize the deal.
AlI we have in life is our word.

VVV wrote:

cubism_dream wrote: the seller took a huge risk with trying to sell an item via an online support forum.

The seller is out $125. I would not call that a "huge risk".

I was referring to the huge risk of conducting a sales transaction through a website that isn't specified as a marketplace for CPAP equipment. jargon113 assumed that nfredrick86 would be an honest and decent person who'd honor the agreement of paying the rest of the balance. Now jargon113 is out $125, which may or may not be a lot of money depending on your personal financial situation, but it's still a monetary loss that could've gone towards the purchase of CPAP accessories, groceries, or anything else.

cubism_dream wrote:
I was referring to the huge risk of conducting a sales transaction through a website that isn't specified as a marketplace for CPAP equipment. jargon113 assumed that nfredrick86 would be an honest and decent person who'd honor the agreement of paying the rest of the balance. Now jargon113 is out $125, which may or may not be a lot of money depending on your personal financial situation, but it's still a monetary loss that could've gone towards the purchase of CPAP accessories, groceries, or anything else.

Maybe the machine did not work well and the buyer had a cluster of long apneas and died of a stroke.

And his heirs' lawyers are preparing a massive lawsuit against the seller.

Can we stop blaming the victim here? Nate Frederick was a jerk. I'm glad jargon warned us. At no point did I read that jargon expected CPAPTALK to do anything.

Jargon113,

I hear your message loud and clear and really appreciate the heads-up. Personally, I feel you are doing the forum members a favor by giving them proper warning AND keeping meticulous notes that back-up your warning.

No comment on the unneeded ramblings of a few when you are trying to aid other members by saving them time, money, and frustration.

I will cross this individual off my list for any possible future business dealings.

Thanks a bunch,
TheWino

Thewino wrote: keeping meticulous notes that back-up your warning.


TheWino

What meticulous notes are you talking about? All he did was paste and post the email trail his computer (or cloud drive) saves for him.

This is a strange thread. The buyer joined the forum 3 days after the seller posted the machine. If the money mattered so much to the seller, he should have demanded cash up front. For the life of me, I don't see why he chose to do a 50/50 deal with a newbie to the forum.

Personally I would never deal with anyone on a forum (unless they are a well established persona and / or there is a feedback thread on the forum which rates people post sales) without a 3rd party like Paypal in between.

Anonymity + distance + cash = people being dicks to each other.