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Pugsy wrote: . . . That nap on the couch without cpap isn't doing you any favors though.

Prolly ain't helpin' the afib/flutter or digestion issues, in particular. Sleepin' without PAP can possibly flare those issues, I think, though I ain't no doc and havin' those kinds of opinions is waaaay above my pay grade.

An apnea sufferer dozin' without PAP can pull the stomach juices right up out of the stomach, I believe, and can also affect the nature of the flow of blood through the heart, if I understand correctly some stuff I read years ago. (And I may not have.) Not to mention how an hour of panic juice before bed ranks right up there with watchin' a scary movie right before bed--not helpful for anxiety issues of any sort, I wouldn't think.

Not tryin' to be scary; just passin' on info, for whatever that is worth from some crazy opinionated guy on the Internet like me.

jnk wrote:

Pugsy wrote: . . . That nap on the couch without cpap isn't doing you any favors though.

Prolly ain't helpin' the afib/flutter or digestion issues, in particular. Sleepin' without PAP can possibly flare those issues, I think, though I ain't no doc and havin' those kinds of opinions is waaaay above my pay grade.

An apnea sufferer dozin' without PAP can pull the stomach juices right up out of the stomach, I believe, and can also affect the nature of the flow of blood through the heart, if I understand correctly some stuff I read years ago. (And I may not have.) Not to mention how an hour of panic juice before bed ranks right up there with watchin' a scary movie right before bed--not helpful for anxiety issues of any sort, I wouldn't think.

Not tryin' to be scary; just passin' on info, for whatever that is worth from some crazy opinionated guy on the Internet like me.

Not sure what you mean by "panic juice"?

Yell, the AF has been a long time issue for me. 6 weeks ago I had heart surgery (NOT open heart), but through both groins to correct it. The Dr. says it take 3 months to heal and won't know if the AF will be corrected until then, he actually gave me an 80-85% cure (success).

The one problem I've had because of not getting enough good sleep is skipped heart beats (post surgery).....that's why Im really serious about getting things figured out with CPAP so I can heal properly.

When I was using the ResMed S8 AutoSet Vantage (7+ yrs old) on fixed CPAP (13cm) my morning heart rate was between 90-110 BPM, and for the last 9-10 days my heart rate has been in the 72-85 BPM using the NEW ResMed S9 AutoSet....So I know I getting near therapy levels with my new S9 but still need advice and assistance.

I really get the not sleeping on the coach NOW and will try my BEST not to do it........

fdw wrote:Not sure what you mean by "panic juice"? . . .

Sorry. It is my shorthand way of referring to the stress hormones the body has to crank out in order to jar us out of an apnea during sleep.

For many of us with long-term moderate-to-severe apnea, the body tries to help us breathe better during sleep by releasing hormones to arouse us out of deep sleep whenever a closure of the airway starts to occur. That can be the basis for the arousals that disturb our sleep. Much of the benefit of PAP therapy for us is that it allows us to stop experiencing those little panics that used to occur during sleep whenever the body needed to jolt us out of an apnea. Once the body gets used to making those chemicals, it thinks it needs to keep a big supply on hand, just in case. And if we don't burn that off with exercise, the body can decide to release those stress hormones at any moment just because it wants to. That can make for one heck of a roller-coaster ride.

That is an oversimplification, because all medical explanations of everything are oversimplifications. But it is important for many of us to realize that constant use of CPAP at ALL times can help us to have a more relaxed and healthy life on all levels because of how it changes our body chemistry and our ways of reacting to things both when we are asleep and awake. For some of us, our OSA actually first showed up as mood troubles--including panic, anxiety, depression, etc. Fixing sleep has helped some to make improvements in those areas. Failure to treat apnea can, for some, be a failure to help mood and a failure to help emotional troubles. That seems, according to some theories, to be closely tied into the body's chemical system and the way it reacts to the mechanical issue of a throat that closes during sleep.

I find it much more fun to just talk about "panic juice." I'm odd that way.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the ... enemy-no-1

My cousin would much rather be under the coach!

jnk wrote:

fdw wrote:Not sure what you mean by "panic juice"? . . .

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the ... enemy-no-1

OMG, That fits me to a T

Plain and simple it's un-necessarry FEAR. I use to have panic attacks, sweats, heart racing, rise in BP.....when I had to give briefings to groups of people that were above my pay grade and sometimes below. I still have those issues sometimes even in a crowd of people or confronted on minor issues. I've always been athletic, jogging, walking, golf, and more intense sport until mid 30's. I was walking 2-3 miles a day up until this past June when my AF really started acting up and had to basically stop. Right now Im walking about 10-15 minutes (0.5 - 0.75 miles) a day at a speed of 3 MPH, don't want to over do it until I heal a little more. Im not really over weight either 6' 1" 195. Can't wait to start playing golf again.

Thanks for the info

Naughty Froggy.

I don't agree with everything in the article (I am not into that form of meditation, for example), but I like the way it explains the stress-hormone issues. And I agree that major changes should be run by a doc.

If you must nap, CPAP. Even if you have to put on the CPAP when you're just sitting on the couch.

Take the water tank out before moving the machine.