Prepping for the next outage

mummmz · Post by **mummmz** » Fri Aug 26, 2022 4:28 pm

I think the only way I would need this would be if I had to evacuate for a hurricane and had to sleep in my SUV along with my 8 small dogs. I have no interest in camping otherwise.

palerider · Post by **palerider** » Fri Aug 26, 2022 5:01 pm

Grumpy48 wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 26, 2022 3:01 pm
Perhaps the only caution using the vehicles inverter is if to enable and power the inverter, the vehicle is in a state that theft of the vehicle could occur while one is sleeping.

The (probably) more important consideration is not running the battery down so much that you need a jump start in the morning. Car batteries are not designed for that kind of extended drain and can have their lifespan shortened dramatically in fairly short order.

Grumpy48 · Post by **Grumpy48** » Fri Aug 26, 2022 5:03 pm

Really wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 26, 2022 4:17 pm
Is that to mean that an empty vehicle is not at risk to be stolen?

Nope, but if the inverter needs the electrical system enabled/turned on to function with an extension cord to the house, it may leave the vehicle more prone to theft if physical keys are needed to put the accessory mode on for the inverter and left in the vehicle. Most keyless systems can enable the accessory mode and be left without the key fob present nearby and likely can not be started without the fob present. My wife's vehicle works this way

Grumpy48 · Post by **Grumpy48** » Fri Aug 26, 2022 5:20 pm

palerider wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 26, 2022 5:01 pm

Grumpy48 wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 26, 2022 3:01 pm
Perhaps the only caution using the vehicles inverter is if to enable and power the inverter, the vehicle is in a state that theft of the vehicle could occur while one is sleeping.
The (probably) more important consideration is not running the battery down so much that you need a jump start in the morning. Car batteries are not designed for that kind of extended drain and can have their lifespan shortened dramatically in fairly short order.

Kinda been there, done that when the end of a hanging seat belt blocked a car door from fully closing which I didn't see and the dome lights stayed on for about a day and a half. Battery wasn't great to begin with, but this finished it off. A filament dome light ampere draw is about in the ballpark of a 12v CPAP with no humidifier running.
Yeah, I wouldn't use a vehicle for extended power use when there are better options are available.

Weighing of the importance of a dead/defunct battery vs a stolen car, I'll opt for the dead battery most any day

Really · Post by **Really** » Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:34 pm

Grumpy48 wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 26, 2022 5:03 pm
with an extension cord to the house,

oh, oh see you are talking about running a cord into the house and sleeping in the house? I don't think that is practical for most of us.
I was thinking the person would be sleeping in the car. Maybe not even at their house. But oh yea if you did things that way I guess it could be a problem. Plus the cord would prob be way too long and cause more problems.

Grouch · Post by **Grouch** » Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:37 pm

lynninnj wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:39 pm

I have a small propane tank I would use to make coffee using a pour over.

Unfortunately I live in New Jersey and they are offering no such things. Unfortunately I only have one machine and that is the airsense 11 and then I’ll have an adapter for DC yet.

and so I wait.
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I have a propane stove, but it's not safe to have an open flame during our safety shutdowns. Super dry conditions coupled with El Diablo (high) winds preclude that. Anything that might cause sparking is banned during the high fire alerts. In the beginning the outages were 2 or 3 days at a time. Once the danger is over they have to inspect every inch of the lines before restoring power.

Even now any regular outage or lines down requires an inspection. Since some of the big wildfires here in CA were causes by malfunctioning PGE equipment, they have implemented shutdowns that start within milliseconds of an interruption. Once the problem is fixed, they are now faster at inspecting the lines. They often have to use helicopters rather than boots on the ground in this mountainous area where lines are routed through wilderness. they've also instituted much smaller shutdown grids, so less folks are affected by these.

But last summer folks on the next ridge over were losing power up to 10 times a week for 4 or 5 hours at a time for a few weeks. Sometimes more. Massive complaints about that and PGE tweaked their settings a bit. I lucked out and only lost power a few times. Of course in winter we have weather related outages. But one upside to all the summer outages is that lines and poles are getting replaced finally, so more of the vulnerable equipment has already been replaced.

PGE are trying to rehabilitate their awful reputation and this medical power station give away is part of it. The one I got retails for around $1,000!

I'm still on the wait list for an AS11. I should have enough power to run it on AC, if I turn off the heated cord and humidifier for a fair amount of days. I should sit down and do the math on it, but haven't been inspired to do it.

lynninnj · Post by **lynninnj** » Sun Aug 28, 2022 5:37 am

Grouch wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:37 pm

lynninnj wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:39 pm

I have a small propane tank I would use to make coffee using a pour over.

Unfortunately I live in New Jersey and they are offering no such things. Unfortunately I only have one machine and that is the airsense 11 and then I’ll have an adapter for DC yet.

and so I wait.

I have a propane stove, but it's not safe to have an open flame during our safety shutdowns. Super dry conditions coupled with El Diablo (high) winds preclude that. Anything that might cause sparking is banned during the high fire alerts. In the beginning the outages were 2 or 3 days at a time. Once the danger is over they have to inspect every inch of the lines before restoring power.

Even now any regular outage or lines down requires an inspection. Since some of the big wildfires here in CA were causes by malfunctioning PGE equipment, they have implemented shutdowns that start within milliseconds of an interruption. Once the problem is fixed, they are now faster at inspecting the lines. They often have to use helicopters rather than boots on the ground in this mountainous area where lines are routed through wilderness. they've also instituted much smaller shutdown grids, so less folks are affected by these.

But last summer folks on the next ridge over were losing power up to 10 times a week for 4 or 5 hours at a time for a few weeks. Sometimes more. Massive complaints about that and PGE tweaked their settings a bit. I lucked out and only lost power a few times. Of course in winter we have weather related outages. But one upside to all the summer outages is that lines and poles are getting replaced finally, so more of the vulnerable equipment has already been replaced.

PGE are trying to rehabilitate their awful reputation and this medical power station give away is part of it. The one I got retails for around $1,000!

I'm still on the wait list for an AS11. I should have enough power to run it on AC, if I turn off the heated cord and humidifier for a fair amount of days. I should sit down and do the math on it, but haven't been inspired to do it.
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What you say makes perfect sense. You are lucky in regards to the rehab of their image.

As far as heating up water for coffee, I’m sure I can use the propane tank inside just long enough to heat up 2 cups of water without it becoming a carbon monoxide hazard.

although we do have a little tiny coffee pot that uses very low wattage. If it could be found at its hiding spot somewhere in the house, that probably won’t work with a low level of electric. I could use my jumper cable charger to make that cup of coffee.

Rob K · Post by **Rob K** » Thu Sep 01, 2022 11:23 am

Completed the test running my Resmed Aircurve 10 Vauto on my Renogy GP14 72ah 266wh power bank. The adapter cable I bought for $7 says it has a DC7406 plug on one end to connect to the Resmed machine and a DC5521 plug on the other end to plug into the dc jack on the power bank. The cable also came with an adapter to go from 2.1mm to 2.5mm for different devices which I did not have to use since the 2.1mm plug fit the power bank jack.

My pressure is set to 9cm-13cm with 2cm of exhale relief. According to Oscar statistics my average pressure was 9.81cm for the week. Humidity and heat turned off. The pap ran for around 40 hours before it shut down.

I suspect you would get more hours with your machine since it is more efficient. Really depends on what your average pressure is compared to mine.

The Renogy GP14 power bank seems decent to me for $160. They say it can be charged with a 100w solar panel in 3-4 hours, direct sun and idea conditions of course. It comes with a 40w ac wall charger, but you can also buy a usb-c charger and cut the charge time down a lot. I've measured it charging at around 65w through the usb-c input jack. One quirk I noticed is that the power bank shuts down when it does not detect any current draw and doesn't save the voltage setting. There is a button you need to press several times to set the power bank to 24v before you can start using your pap machine. If you walk away from it for a little while or get up in the middle of the night you will need to press the button again to set the output voltage. Maybe there's a way around this, I haven't looked.

Rob K · Post by **Rob K** » Thu Sep 01, 2022 12:00 pm

It appears to connect your Airsense 11 to the Renogy power bank you would need the adapter cable that is used with the Medistrom Pilot 24 Lite battery. The top cable pictured on this link.
https://www.amazon.com/ResMed-AirSense- ... B0B3F7ZY65

The cable plugs into the Airsense 11 and on the the other end is a dc barrel type connector. I didn't find an specs for the size of the barrel connector on the cable so not sure if it would plug right into the Renogy power bank which is a DC5521 jack. Or in other words a 5.5mm x 2.1mm dc barrel type connector. If not it's simple to get an adapter. Of course you would have to be comfortable with buying non Resmed products.

Another thing to ask yourself during this search is whether or not you want the battery hooked up all the time and have it supply power to your pap automatically during a power outage or do you want to hook up the battery when the power goes out. This will also determine what you buy to power your pap. With the Renogy power bank you will need to connect it after the power goes out, the same with a lot of other power sources.

lynninnj · Post by **lynninnj** » Thu Sep 01, 2022 1:25 pm

Rob K wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 01, 2022 12:00 pm
It appears to connect your Airsense 11 to the Renogy power bank you would need the adapter cable that is used with the Medistrom Pilot 24 Lite battery. The top cable pictured on this link.
https://www.amazon.com/ResMed-AirSense- ... B0B3F7ZY65

The cable plugs into the Airsense 11 and on the the other end is a dc barrel type connector. I didn't find an specs for the size of the barrel connector on the cable so not sure if it would plug right into the Renogy power bank which is a DC5521 jack. Or in other words a 5.5mm x 2.1mm dc barrel type connector. If not it's simple to get an adapter. Of course you would have to be comfortable with buying non Resmed products.

Another thing to ask yourself during this search is whether or not you want the battery hooked up all the time and have it supply power to your pap automatically during a power outage or do you want to hook up the battery when the power goes out. This will also determine what you buy to power your pap. With the Renogy power bank you will need to connect it after the power goes out, the same with a lot of other power sources.

thanks!

am entertaining a few scenarios like getting set up to use backup battery

OR

buy a travel cpap so I have a backup and presumably have more battery options.

Not sure if I should start a thread or pose it here.

Best travel CPAP? Why?

I would like to know about the reliable top brands and is someone coming out with a new version of something soon?

Rob K · Post by **Rob K** » Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:26 pm

Always a good idea to have a back up machine, especially these days with major supply problems with all the Chinese electronics and other products that we've come to rely on. Breas claims the Z2 is designed and assembled in Massachusetts. That could mean a lot of things though, slapping a Breas sticker on it or something much more involved.

Makes more sense to start a thread on travel machines. You'll probably get a lot more views and responses.
Edit: Dedicate this thread to running your Airsense11 on battery in case of power outage.

Dog Slobber · Post by **Dog Slobber** » Sat Oct 08, 2022 12:04 pm

And let's post this into the "Told you so" category

Months ago, I criticized CPAP Review Nick's YT video, for being completely wrong and not understanding the role of the AirMini/Air11 notched power connector and compatibility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghFjt6Xb0eQ

Well. it looks like he's done an about-face and acknowledged he was completely wrong. And, my explanation was exactly correct. Though, I still have no confidence he understands why (and how) the notches work.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ctSYPiBdtKQ

We can also add his name to the growing list of people who have verified the Air-Mini DC-DC Converter works on the AirSense 11.

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 23, 2022 9:48 am

lynninnj wrote: ↑
Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:48 pm

Pugsy wrote: ↑
Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:14 pm
Missing critical thing…….some way to change the 12 volt from the battery to 24 volt that your machine MUST have to work at all.
Ok- so the fancy 12v-12v converter thingy they haven’t invented yet.

Grrrr

thanks
It's not a 12v to 12v converter, it's a DC-DC converter.

The AirMini DC-DC converter (65W) works fine with Air11. It meets the same specs as the Air11 power supply:
24 volts

65 watts

same connecter (kinda, explained below)

It's been verified by members as working ( viewtopic/t182977/Resmed-Airsense-11--A ... 5#p1398522 )
The AirMini / Air11 power connector has a unique design. The AirMini power connector port has one corner cut, the Air 11 has two corners cut. This design allows adapters that are compatible with both to be used (such as the 65 watt DC-DC converter and 65 watt AC Adapter). But, will prevent an under-capacity power supplies from being used in the Air11 (such as the 20 watt AirMini power supply)

Here is a YouTube video where CPAP Reviews' Nicko, shows the slight difference between connectors. He completely botches the actual explanation of the cut corners. Instead, explaining as a conspiracy theory, design feature, that prevents interoperability between accessories. When in fact, it's a design feature that allows compatible accessories to work, while preventing incompatible accessories from being used. He completely blew it, but gets lots of clicks.

Nicko, completely blowing facts, opting for clickbate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghFjt6Xb0eQ

So, yes, it has been invented, it just hasn't been marketed and labeled correctly. Understandable, given the supply problem with Air11 accessories, in what appears to be a product hurried to market to fill a substantial gap because of the philips recall.

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 23, 2022 2:07 pm

lynninnj wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 23, 2022 12:29 pm
I actually specifically recall Nick discussing it and it is believable considering the proprietary desire/nature of the Resmed biz as I have seen so far in some items (i.e. you need an adapter for a regular mask with the mini so I get it they want to make their money).
Yes it is believable, but that doesn't make it correct.

If you want to disregard the actual evidence than go right ahead.

Facts:
The power supply on the AirMini is 20 watts

AirMini's draw much lower power because they don't have heated humidifiers nor heated hoses

If an AirMini power supply [20 watt] is plugged into an Air11, which can draw up to 65 watts; something is going to go poof, and somebody's not going to have a CPAP usage and an expensive bill.

the AirMini (marketed) DC-DC converter is 65 watts and does fit and work in the Air11. (so much for Nicko's conspiracy therory)

The AirMini power supply which Nick's click-bate video complains doesn't fit into the Air11, doesn't fit, because it shouldn't fit. Nick doesn't understand this, and apparently you don't either. But you consider it believable because....... Apple wants you to buy everything Apple, and AirMini has proprietary masks, and Nicko's on YouTube.

BTW, there is a very good reason why AirMini has a different Mask System. And it has nothing to do with stopping AirMinis from using non-AirMini masks. It's to prevent AirMini masks from being used on regular CPAPs. AirMini masks don't have venting, they are dependent on vent behind the humidX.

Without venting people die.

I don't like how ResMed handled their AirMini mask design. But it has nothing to do with being proprietary for market-share.

lynninnj · Post by **lynninnj** » Sat Oct 08, 2022 4:02 pm

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 08, 2022 12:04 pm
And let's post this into the "Told you so" category

Months ago, I criticized CPAP Review Nick's YT video, for being completely wrong and not understanding the role of the AirMini/Air11 notched power connector and compatibility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghFjt6Xb0eQ

Well. it looks like he's done an about-face and acknowledged he was completely wrong. And, my explanation was exactly correct. Though, I still have no confidence he understands why (and how) the notches work.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ctSYPiBdtKQ

We can also add his name to the growing list of people who have verified the Air-Mini DC-DC Converter works on the AirSense 11.

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I appreciate and can handle the I told you so.

I came here to learn and value the correct info, especially when you are so much kinder about it. (that wasn’t snark or bite, it was gratitude and I mean that sincerely)

I have been trying to more aggressively search for a power station that I can use as a back up, preferably with solar hook up. so this is especially good information to have.

They just came out with a new Eco Flo delta 2. I have my eyeballs on that but it’s very expensive, but it probably has everything I need and probably will cost the same by the time I get a box and inverters, chargers, etc..

Will I even need an extra cable to run CPAP from this device?

EF ECOFLOW DELTA 2 Portable Power Station, 1024Wh LiFePO4 Battery, Fast Charging, Use as a Solar Generator(Solar Panel Optional) for Home Backup Power, Camping & RVs https://a.co/d/5yeIUXq

Again I appreciate.

(and on a sidenote, I hear that Europe is changing all to USB-C chargers for all of the mobile phones in the EU. Apple is, of course, having a fit about it because their proprietary cables and other reasons are a money maker for them, but the EU isn’t having it. So yes still critical of big biz and their proprietary stuff including the Ecoflow above which I don’t think I can just hook up to any old additional LiFePO4 battery. But alas I digress. )

lynninnj · Post by **lynninnj** » Sat Oct 08, 2022 4:07 pm

Follow up after watching the videa: hey at least he admits he was being a dick. refreshing lol

He was talking about the AS TEN not the ELEVEN and I maybe missed it completely if he said they have one that works specifically with the 11?

You are correct about the corners on the cables etc. of course.

Maybe the ecoflow delta 2 doesn’t require additional cord at this time to run my as11?

loggerhead12 · Post by **loggerhead12** » Sat Oct 08, 2022 5:01 pm

lynninnj wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 08, 2022 4:07 pm
Maybe the ecoflow delta 2 doesn’t require additional cord at this time to run my as11?

It does not, but you'll only get half the run time out of it. Inverters are very inefficient.

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