Can't fall asleep

General Discussion on any topic relating to CPAP and/or Sleep Apnea.
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blarg
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Post by blarg » Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:01 am

cpapcpa wrote:I can't seem to get comfortable with the mask if I try to sleep on my side, the various mask bits dig into my face and the mask seems to leak more.
I find if I bunch my pillow up and let my face be right on the edge that the mask will seal just fine, and that nothing gets in the way.

Others have mentioned the shapeable pillow from Target and the PAPillow from Talk About Sleep.

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Post by gregnga » Thu Dec 28, 2006 11:33 am

Snoredog wrote:why do you think that is?

a) cannot turn off your thoughts from the day to fall asleep?
b) discomfort from the mask (straps too tight etc.)?
c) noise from the mask/machine or both?
d) cpap pressure itself preventing you from sleeping?

If you can isolate exactly what bothers you then address them one at a time, pretty soon you've eliminated everything that is preventing you from sleep.

Start with the noise aspect: If it is noise, the pillow style interfaces are the noisiest ones you can buy. The quietest most comfortable nasal interface I have ever used is the Somnotech Soyala. It is absolutely silent compared to any other mask out there. There is no exhaust hiss, no noise from the cpap air flowing through at all.

If the machine itself is keeping you from sleep, first understand the higher your pressure is the louder any machine or mask combination will be. This is a good reason to use any Ramp feature, you can start out with a much lower pressure making falling asleep much easier and hopefully by the time pressure does kick in you will be asleep. Nearly all machines have some sort of a ramp feature.

An autopap will be the quietest machine, there are many concepts behind the different machine therapies. I like the one that offers the quietest operation and delivers the least pressure. If it delivers the pressure I need when I am a sleep that is all I need. Bipap is the first thing offered by doctors (they don't have a clue), they are simply pulling the wool over your eyes when they do that, they are still giving you a basic straight cpap but only in a bipap machine, sure exhale pressure will be lower making it easier to breathe out but your IPAP or inhale pressure will still be high just like you were on straight cpap with a plain jane machine. That does nothing if cpap pressure is what is preventing you from falling asleep. If your IPAP pressure is 14cm, then an autopap set to 6cm to 14cm will do the same thing, the advantage is the autopap will start at 6cm and hopefully stay there until you are well into sleep. A machine running at 6cm pressure will be a lot quieter and more comfortable than a machine running at 14cm. Try it with your bipap, set both pressures to 6cm and give it a try, that is what you would have with an autopap. Try to fall asleep with your bipap at 6cm, the worst that could happen is you wake up gasping for air. With an autopap like the Remstars, you also have Cflex which adds in comfort on exhale.

Put the machine on the floor: If machine noise is the problem, put it on the floor or even under the bed. You will have to clean your filters more often but it will be quieter. You may also need a longer hose, they sell longer hoses at cpap.com for under $20 bucks.

Comfort: None of these interfaces are what I would call comfortable, even I at times become frustrated with the discomfort from them and sleep without, but the next day/night it changes my mind again on that concept. If a mask is not designed right it will be leaky and require more strap pressure to stop it from leaking. The FF masks are harder to seal because there is a larger footprint to seal with the cushion, it can have its good and bad, but if you are a mouth breather they can work well.

I have no connection with Somnotech whatsoever, I only know about them from my mask purchase after spending $100 for their Soyala from cpap.com. It was expensive compared to other nasal interfaces but well worth it. I have to say it is the best interface I've used in more than 5 years on cpap, that includes all the Respironics Comfortxxxx series, All the Ultra series from Resmad, the Hybrid, the breeze, nasalaire, the swift you name it I have pretty much purchased them all at one time. The Soyala is the best sealing requiring the least strap pressure (even over the Activa, got one of those in my dud drawer also).

So my suggestions:

1. Address the noise.
2. Address the discomfort (reduce/eliminate strap pressure).
3. Address the cpap pressure discomfort by using a lower machine Ramp pressure.
4. Consider a sleep aid like melatonin, been using it for more than 15yrs every night, has NO side effects compared to any other sleep aid on the market, prescription or non-prescription.
5. If you cannot find an acceptable quiet mask, consider the Soyala, it is comfortable and quiet.

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Can you tell me where I can get the Somnotech Soyala gear you spoke of in this posting?


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Post by blarg » Thu Dec 28, 2006 11:41 am

gregnga wrote:Can you tell me where I can get the Somnotech Soyala gear you spoke of in this posting?
You can get the Soyala here. You should ask your DME if they carry it too.


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Just a couple more thoughts

Post by mkirkwag » Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:50 pm

Every mask is different for every person, so go with what works for you. I just wanted to mention that the swift can make a fairly consistent white noise that bugs some of us, and a different noise if something gets in front of the ports, such as when you turn over and it's blowing into the pillow. HOWEVER, if you're hearing a hiss, that's a leak. You need to rotate the pillows about until there are no hisses.
If Comfortlite works for you, it might be worth a try - you get both pillows and a mask, so you can try both or change off. I really liked that, but it leaked on me.

Ambien is not supposed to be habit forming. So they say, anyway.

Warm milk, "Go Light" to get your circadian rhythyms set....there are CD's that supposedly encourage sleep brain waves - anything that might help!

It's a continuing battle for me, but I'm winning. I'm not one for affirmations, but I really do find the thing that's helping me the most is trying to picture the mask as my friend. Two nights ago I slept with it all night. And tonight I expect to pass out because I was us half the night fighting it last night Just gotta remember that the good nights will happen. Realistically, we're going to fall asleep eventually.


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ComfortLite 2 Nasal Interface

Post by gregnga » Thu Jan 04, 2007 6:42 am

I ended up getting the ComfortLite 2 Nasal Interface mask and I really like it a lot better. No hissing from leaks, and I like the way the hoses are not in the way.

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Rozerem

Post by mkirkwag » Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:30 pm

It has helped me a good deal.

A number of days won't do it. It takes at least two weeks. What Rozerem does is stimulate your melatonin receptors. You won't notice a sudden big difference. It's just a slow change.

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Post by Guest » Sat Mar 17, 2007 7:51 pm

I had the same problem. I got my cpap last July and tried for about a week and a half. I would lay awake for hours, then give up and get a couple of hours of sleep w/o it. I was exhausted and frustrated. I am in Law Enforcement so being that tired was real bad. I ended up getting frustrated and saying forget it.

About 3 weeks ago I decided that I was going to make it work. I ended up doing what someone said earlier. When I would wake up during the night I would put the mask on then. After a couple of days of that and totally readjusting my mask all of the sudden I could use it all night. It's been almost 3 weeks now that i've been able to use it all night long. I still wake up several times during the night but I just roll over and go back to sleep.

Stick with it, decide that you will make it work no matter what. I really believe a lot of it was in my mind, at first I believed that I could not sleep with it so I couldn't. Once I decided that I was going to make it work, I did.


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Post by Refugee » Sat Mar 17, 2007 7:53 pm

[quote="Anonymous"]I had the same problem. I got my cpap last July and tried for about a week and a half. I would lay awake for hours, then give up and get a couple of hours of sleep w/o it. I was exhausted and frustrated. I am in Law Enforcement so being that tired was real bad. I ended up getting frustrated and saying forget it.

About 3 weeks ago I decided that I was going to make it work. I ended up doing what someone said earlier. When I would wake up during the night I would put the mask on then. After a couple of days of that and totally readjusting my mask all of the sudden I could use it all night. It's been almost 3 weeks now that i've been able to use it all night long. I still wake up several times during the night but I just roll over and go back to sleep.

Stick with it, decide that you will make it work no matter what. I really believe a lot of it was in my mind, at first I believed that I could not sleep with it so I couldn't. Once I decided that I was going to make it work, I did.