How do I get data out of my CPAP device?

I have been using a ResMed VPAP Auto, Series 9 device with an H5i Heated Humidifier for about 5 weeks. The Home Care Company that brought it also installed a Modem (where the SD Card normally goes) that connects via celltower to their home office. I understand they periodically call my machine and download technical data, including usage so they can report to Medicare I'm actually using it every night. I'm told after about 12 months, the machine will belong to me (thank you, Medicare). Also, after only 3 months usage they will take the Modem back because they will no longer have to report usage to Medicare.

A couple of questions:

1) If I unplug the Modem today and plug in an SD Card, will it automatically download data to the card so I can later produce graphs/reports from the SD Card? I would then remove the SD Card and replace the Modem so the Home Care Company can still get to the machine.

2) I understand the Sleepyhead software can analyze an SD Card from my particular machine. Is that true? My computers cannot read an SD Card, but I understand I can get a Reader that connects to a USP port for just a few dollars.

When I did the Sleep Lab sleepover with CPAP, the mask did not fit properly and I slept fitfully, so the data gathered did not satisfy them. I just saw a new doctor yesterday and he wants to look at the available data from my ResMed machine, rather than have me do another overnight $leep $tudy at the Sleep Lab. I was able to provide him with several night's worth of data gathered with my Recording Pulse Oximeter, that infers I am making progress, slowly. Now, I would like to provide him with the data from my VPAP machine.

Thanks for any education you can provide.

Hmm, I've got the S9 Autoset and I have the tattling modem attached as well. That is next to where the SD card resides. I checked and my SD card is in place. Could yours be the same?

I'm running out at lunch to get an SD card reader at Fry's to use tonight. I downloaded the Sleepyhead software and I'm anxious to see the results.

Is there no SD card in the slot next to where the modem sits?
The SD card needs to be in the machine over night to get all the data that the machine records.
If no SD card in the machine right now...you can slide one in and the machine will write to the SD card the data that is stored on the machine. Some of the high definition graphs are not stored on the machine so won't/can't be place on the SD card.

I thought that the modem and the SD card could both be in place at the same time but I haven't seen a modem to compare it to and someone went me a picture and I have totally forgotten...

If they can't be in place at the same time...then yes, just remove the modem...insert the SD card...takes maybe a minute to write the data to the SD card...remove the SD card...replace modem...go use the software.

If the SD card can be left in along side the modem..then do it over night and you get all the goodies.

Yes, if your computer does not have a SD card slot then you can use a USB port....just get a card reader/adapter. One end plugs into the USB port and the other end you plug the SD card into. Generic will work..around $10 depending on where you buy it.
Maybe a little cheaper online if you can find one with free shipping but then you get to wait.
WalMart has them.

wardmiller wrote:The Home Care Company that brought it also installed a Modem (where the SD Card normally goes) that connects via celltower to their home office.

Isn't it possible that the Home Care Company just did not provide you with an SD card, since they would be able to get all the information they need by Modem?

If both the Modem & SD card can coexist at the same time, then just call the Home Care Company & ask them for the ResMed SD card that is included with the machine.

Just be careful & make sure you do not interfere with the Home Care Company acquiring the compliance information they need for the 1st 3 months.

From my experience:

1. If you insert and SD card, it will download the summary data that is already in the machine, but not the detail data.
2. Sleepyhead uses the detail data, not the summary data. Rescan will report both.
3. You have to use one of the older low capacity SD cards (1 or 2 gigs), not an SDHC high capacity cards (4 gig and up).

If I'm wrong on any of the above, then I'm doing something wrong.

JeffL wrote:From my experience:

1. If you insert and SD card, it will download the summary data that is already in the machine, but not the detail data.
2. Sleepyhead uses the detail data, not the summary data. Rescan will report both.
3. You have to use one of the older low capacity SD cards (1 or 2 gigs), not an SDHC high capacity cards (4 gig and up).

If I'm wrong on any of the above, then I'm doing something wrong.

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How do I download the DETAILED data so Sleepyhead can use it?

If I use Rescan (this is the first I've heard of that) instead of Sleepyhead, then can it use the summary data and produce all the output I would need?

I just got the ResMed card from the Home Care Company. It has no indication on the card what its capacity is. Later tonight I'll install the new SD Card reader I just bought and put the ResMed card in and see if I can figure out the capacity.

Is there any chance that upon seeing 100% compliance in the first 30 days, an insurer will pay for the machine early? I'm paying $50/mo for three months for my machine, then the buyout. I'm hoping to cut the rental to one month, if at all possible.

Anyone with that experience?

StuUnderPressure wrote:

wardmiller wrote:The Home Care Company that brought it also installed a Modem (where the SD Card normally goes) that connects via celltower to their home office.

Isn't it possible that the Home Care Company just did not provide you with an SD card, since they would be able to get all the information they need by Modem?

If both the Modem & SD card can coexist at the same time, then just call the Home Care Company & ask them for the ResMed SD card that is included with the machine.

Just be careful & make sure you do not interfere with the Home Care Company acquiring the compliance information they need for the 1st 3 months.

wardmiller wrote:How do I download the DETAILED data so Sleepyhead can use it?

Go ahead and put the SD card in the machine when you get home. The machine will write the data that is stored on the machine to the SD card straight away. Then you can use SleepyHead to see what you have. You will have some summary data, AHI and some other numbers but you will be missing some graphs.
Then put the SD card back in the machine so it stays there all night...then you can again import the data to SleepyHead tomorrow morning and you will see the detailed graphs that are missing because the machine doesn't store that particular data on the machine.

ResScan provides the same data as SleepyHead...it also will not show the high def stuff until the machine writes it to the SD card.
ResScan tutorial here
http://montfordhouse.com/cpap/resscan_tutorial/
download link can be found in Uncle Bob's signature here
memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=38643

SleepyHead links you can find in my signature.

I suggest you try both to see which software you like the best. SleepyHead is Beta software so a big buggy but worth it because you can do so much with it.

The ResMed SD card that you got from the DME will be fine. It is either a 1 or 2 GB...and that is plenty big for your needs.
Generic cards will also work...and I can't swear to it but those high end SD cards might work...for sure the plain SD card works.
It's getting hard to find 1 or 2 GB SD cards. I know people using 4 GB SD cards with their machines without problems. Used to be a maybe problem only with the SDHC cards but I am not sure that is true anymore. The problem wasn't with the size of the SD card but the High def part...the HC part.

wardmiller wrote:
I just got the ResMed card from the Home Care Company. It has no indication on the card what its capacity is. Later tonight I'll install the new SD Card reader I just bought and put the ResMed card in and see if I can figure out the capacity.

The ResMed SD card I got with my S9 AutoSet in Janaury 2012 is 1 GB.

My "guess" is that is what you got today.

wardmiller wrote:

JeffL wrote:From my experience:

1. If you insert and SD card, it will download the summary data that is already in the machine, but not the detail data.
2. Sleepyhead uses the detail data, not the summary data. Rescan will report both.
3. You have to use one of the older low capacity SD cards (1 or 2 gigs), not an SDHC high capacity cards (4 gig and up).

If I'm wrong on any of the above, then I'm doing something wrong.

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How do I download the DETAILED data so Sleepyhead can use it?

If I use Rescan (this is the first I've heard of that) instead of Sleepyhead, then can it use the summary data and produce all the output I would need?

I just got the ResMed card from the Home Care Company. It has no indication on the card what its capacity is. Later tonight I'll install the new SD Card reader I just bought and put the ResMed card in and see if I can figure out the capacity.

On my machine, the S9, it seems that the card must be in the machine while you are using it to record the detail data. I've had an incident or two where I went to transfer the data to my computer, and found that nothing new had been added to the card since the last time I took the card out for a download. Perhaps I had the card locked when I put it back in the CPAP, I'm not sure. But when I did put the card back in after that, only the summary data was copied from the CPAP to the SD card. The detail data began to accumulate again that night.

The Rescan software is the official ResMed software. It will show all the detail and summary data (You have to set it right to transfer the detail data from the card to your computer). You should be able to find the download with a search of the forum (or the web).

The ResMed card that came with mine is a 1 gig card, but any 1 or 2 gig SD card will work.

Update - This link may be helpful: http://www.apneaboard.com/forums/Thread ... ersion-4-1

Welcome, Ward!

Lots of good advice from Pugsy, and the others. I wish you good luck on getting useful data on to your computer.

John

ughwhatname wrote:Is there any chance that upon seeing 100% compliance in the first 30 days, an insurer will pay for the machine early?

None whatsoever. Sorry.

First, many thanks for all of you who took the time to answer. Your comments are all very valuable to me.

Second, I was wrong!! The Modem is plugged into its own slot. There is another slot, not all that obvious to Dummies, for the SD Card. Last night I plugged in the Card the Home Care Company gave me and it has a bunch of files (I can't read) on it this morning. I saved them in a new folder and will experiment with Sleepyhead and Rescan this afternoon.

Again, thanks to all for your help.

wardmiller wrote:
I saved them in a new folder and will experiment with Sleepyhead and Rescan this afternoon.

I think ResScan will only do a download directly from the SD card. When you click on Download, it looks for a card.

The Datalog folder contains the daily detail data files.
The STR.* files are contain the summary data.

If you want to download the detail data into ResScan, when you insert the card for download, and start the download process, the download window will display.
Be sure that the Data part of the window does not say "Summary Data Only". If it does, click on select, and change it. Mine is set for All Available Data, and Include equivalent number of high rate data sessions. I don't know what that last part is, maybe someone else can explain it.

When you close ResScan, let it save you data.

Just to show you how things go wrong for me, I went to get my card from the machine, so I could run ResScan to get the above info for you, and found that the card had not been pushed into the S9 all the way. So when I pushed it in to release it, it locked into place and transferred the summary data to he card. Do detail data for me since 9/30

Jeff, I got both SleepyHead and ResScan installed today. SleepyHead ran without a problem, but, as you suggested, when I ran ResScan I could not designate where to get the data. So I plugged the SD Card and its Reader in the USB port and ResScan found it. (I've been a programmer at a major computer company for forty years and never would have done the program that way. It could default to find the SD Card or the CPAP, but I would also offer, for the advanced users, the option of specifying where the data would be found.)

I have not had time to study all the output, but I did find something puzzling. When I did the first sleep-over, they found I had an AHI 68.0, and Dx me as having "acute sleep apnea." The second sleep over showed an AHI 17.9 (considered "moderate"). Looking at the data I produced today for the 37 days I have been using the VPAP machine, I had an AHI 4.59 last night; with an average of 4.45, max. 9.0, min. 2.0 during the period.

I find it strange my AHI would drop so much in the two weeks from my testing to the beginning of using the VPAP. Would you suspect the Sleep Lab data was in error?