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Re: SoClean?

Post by prodigyplace » Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:19 pm

jnk... wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:43 am

I don't blame cpap.com for selling that stuff, either. I mean, if pet rocks or mood rings were the fad, ya sell them, whether they actually "do" anything or not. That's the way market economies work.
I agree EXCEPT they did not need to sent me a snail mail card trying to convince me to buy it!

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Re: SoClean?

Post by jnk... » Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:20 pm

Glad you posted it Pugsy. We're on the same page, but yours is its own paragraph. :wink:

I liked Lucyhere's post. Valid question. Valid observation. Nice fuel for discussion. Good stuff.

Thanks, Pugsy, for not deleting the SoClean stuff as spam, even when it is. I agree with your call to let it be hashed out regularly, as a way to be of service to people looking for balanced info on it.

The advertising industry is all about trying to create a perception of need. Bad breath. Ring around the collar. Didn't exist before advertisers said it did. So there is a long history of that sort of thing. BUT when it comes to CPAP equipment, painting it as inherently dirty and dangerous does a great disservice at a time when the public, for health reasons, needs to understand CPAP is none of those things. For me, SoClean does damage to the public perception of CPAP. So I push back.

Best way to push back is let the shills speak so that the snake oil can be discussed openly and thoroughly on a regular basis.

But I would never deny Granny Clampett her tonic and rheumatiz medicines. :| Life is half placebo effect as far as I'm concerned.
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Re: SoClean?

Post by jnk... » Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:32 pm

prodigyplace wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:19 pm
jnk... wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:43 am

I don't blame cpap.com for selling that stuff, either. I mean, if pet rocks or mood rings were the fad, ya sell them, whether they actually "do" anything or not. That's the way market economies work.
I agree EXCEPT they did not need to sent me a snail mail card trying to convince me to buy it!
Eh. It's good to have a little scrap paper around fer gettin' the fire goin' in the potbelly stove.
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Re: SoClean?

Post by Pugsy » Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:53 pm

jnk... wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:32 pm
Eh. It's good to have a little scrap paper around fer gettin' the fire goin' in the potbelly stove.
Yeah...good to start a fire with. :lol: :lol:
I get tons of junk mail...it all gets used to start fires. It's part of life. I don't understand getting so upset with a little junk mail.
Besides...I always need a good fire starter so they provide it for free...saves me from having to buy it.
Besides...cpap.com (or anyone else sending out junk mail) has no way to know that the product being promoted will be well received or not. To expect otherwise is a bit of an unrealistic expectation but I suppose one could call up cpap.com and ask to be taken off the junk mail list.
But then a person risks not getting a heads up on something that they might really want to try.

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Re: SoClean?

Post by ChicagoGranny » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:11 pm

The bitching about the forum owners is disgusting.
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Re: SoClean?

Post by Lucyhere » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:07 pm

Pugsy wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:38 am
I think it's a bit premature to make a blanket statement that "majority of cpap users think it is worthless".
Just to clarify, I was talking about the SoClean Machine, not the newer Lumin, which frankly I know nothing about.

Also, CG... no one, not any of us in this thread that I can see, is bitching about the owners. IMO, this thread is a discussion, not a bitching session. Considering some other threads we've seen around here, this one is a breath of fresh air!
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Re: SoClean?

Post by NEMarvin » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:20 am

Pugsy wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:32 am
palerider wrote:
Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:17 pm
Also, pimper for socrap...
Yep...Marvin came here just to attempt a sneaky spam.
We all know why he did it. He doesn't really want to discuss anything.
I didn't remove it for various reasons. One being I think that they end up shooting themselves in the foot and causing more damage when they come here with the sneaky spam attempt. Just gives people more ammunition to fire back with.

They are wasting their time here....not going to change anyone's mind here with their sneaky spam.
The people who want to use it...will use it and the people who think it is a waste of money won't be changing their minds just because some shill came here and attempted a sneaky spam.

They probably should just stick to the TV propaganda scare tactics. Waste of time and resources to come here.
Pugsy,
I am not sneaky spam. I'm a 20 year CPAP user, and seemingly prone to sinus infections since I've started using it, especially in the last few years. My doctor (board certified internist, with nothing to sell) suggested that I look at the cleanliness of my CPAP. So, as a result, I'm seriously considering the SoClean. One of the reasons I joined this "forum" is to find out more information. Earlier, someone said "where's the verification that it works? " I posted what is shared on their website as research. However, the "longtimers" here think that it is appropriate to discredit anything and everything. I'm looking for meaningful, intelligent dialogue. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I don't care if you wash your CPAP in a hog wallow. I'm trying to learn for me.

Tell me that I've not made a mistake when I came here looking for thoughtful, intelligent dialogue?

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Re: SoClean?

Post by ChicagoGranny » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:52 am

I picked this up somewhere from what I believe to be an authoritative source. If I can find the link, I'll post it later.
I agree that it's at best worthless. Just so you know mine is not just a layman's opinion, I am a microbiologist with 25 years experience with sterilization and disinfection of equipment and facilities used in the production of sterile pharmaceuticals. Unfortunately, a good friend of mine bought one without consulting me. I haven't had the heart to tell him what I've said here but I have cautioned him that he still needs to clean his reservoir, hose, mask, and cushions at intervals, since ozone does not clean, and that it will damage his headgear and possibly cushions. If this were a medical device requiring FDA approval it never would have made it to the market.
NEMarvin wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:20 am
NEMarvin
NEMarvin wrote:
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My doctor (board certified internist
You really should have a consultation and examination by an ENT.

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Re: SoClean?

Post by jnk... » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:57 am

Hopefully you have now found the thoughtful, intelligent, meaningful dialog you were looking for.

1. When your doctor suggested making sure your equipment was clean, he meant following the instructions of the equipment manufacturers.
2. No manufacturer has endorsed SoClean.
3. Read the manuals and instructions that came with your equipment, and follow it--or at least the principles of it--which does NOT include SoClean.
4. There is no machine that provides a shortcut to actually, physically, cleaning your equipment by hand. If you do that, and your sinus infections continue, know that your CPAP, which you are keeping clean, is not the problem, and therefore SoClean will not be helpful to you.

I am happy to engage in dialog in explanation of those four points, if you would like.

But please note that you doctor did not engage in scare tactics; SoClean ads did that. So, listen to your doctor, not to SoClean, and you should be fine.
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Re: SoClean?

Post by NEMarvin » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:07 am

Thank you to jnk... and ChicagoGranny for the excellent responses. I do appreciate these over the the negative bashing that are no better than manufacturer scare tactics.

As for the ENT consult, you are absolutely correct. I will seek that out next.

I do understand manufacturer recommendations, and have followed those. Yet, I see long-timers posting here that imply (if not say outright) that that isn't even necessary because it's just a ploy from the manufacturer to sell more hoses. So, there is a bit of talking out of both sides of the mouth, when this is said.

Though I wish someone would directly address the lab paper that I posted, I get that we all make our decisions based on the method that works best for us. I was simply posting it because a long-timer had asked "where's the proof that it does anything?"

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Re: SoClean?

Post by palerider » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:15 am

NEMarvin wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:20 am
I am not sneaky spam. I'm a 20 year CPAP user, and seemingly prone to sinus infections since I've started using it, especially in the last few years. My doctor (board certified internist, with nothing to sell) suggested that I look at the cleanliness of my CPAP. So, as a result, I'm seriously considering the SoClean. One of the reasons I joined this "forum" is to find out more information. Earlier, someone said "where's the verification that it works? " I posted what is shared on their website as research. However, the "longtimers" here think that it is appropriate to discredit anything and everything. I'm looking for meaningful, intelligent dialogue. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I don't care if you wash your CPAP in a hog wallow. I'm trying to learn for me.

Tell me that I've not made a mistake when I came here looking for thoughtful, intelligent dialogue?
You talk like a shill.

As far as "thoughtful, intelligent dialogue", you're not going to get it when you're pimping for the exploitive garbage known as so-clean, a useless device that's sold with fearmongering ads.

The subject has been beaten to death *REPEATEDLY* and then people wanting "thoughtful, intelligent dialogue" keep reconstituting and reanimating the dust of the dead horse.

If you want to learn something about the process of ozone sterilization from someone that works in the industry, read this:

viewtopic/t157842/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1 ... 9#p1210375

And stop paying attention to "studies" that are promoted by the shifty group selling the product (cigarette studies).

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Re: SoClean?

Post by palerider » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:17 am

NEMarvin wrote:
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Though I wish someone would directly address the lab paper that I posted,
Someone did.

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Re: SoClean?

Post by jnk... » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:17 am

NEMarvin wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:07 am
I do understand manufacturer recommendations, and have followed those. Yet, I see long-timers posting here that imply (if not say outright) that that isn't even necessary because it's just a ploy from the manufacturer to sell more hoses.
Which is why I weaseled my statement with . . .
jnk... wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:57 am
or at least the principles of it
I have had my present hose for about 5 years. During that time I may have thoroughly washed it 10 times. That hose is the best 5 bucks I've ever spent!

But someone with a compromised immune system and constant infection might be a lot more careful than I am.
NEMarvin wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:07 am
. . . the lab paper . . . posting it because a long-timer had asked "where's the proof that it does anything?"
As for SoClean, I still see no proof, or even evidence, that this particular machine is useful for cleaning CPAP equipment. Sure, it does something. But that is not scientific evidence it does anything to address the things mentioned in the scare-tactic ads from the company. And that is the point--NOT whether it does "something" or "anything."
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Re: SoClean?

Post by chunkyfrog » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:22 am

For those of us whose immunity is fully functional, minimum cleaning is usually acceptable.
No one recommends NEVER cleaning the cpap equipment. (Except some ads)
Those who suspect a problem with their immunity should consult a DOCTOR.

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Re: SoClean?

Post by NEMarvin » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:23 am

palerider wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:17 am
NEMarvin wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:07 am
Though I wish someone would directly address the lab paper that I posted,
Someone did.
How? By calling me a shill? Got it. Name-calling on this board equates to "addressing." Point taken.

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